Child care area?

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JJWalecka

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I3city made me raise an eyebrow... Where is there a reference to child care areas in the code? Local Code?
AFCI and Tamper proof recepticals would logically be required. Has there been a consideration regarding this in the NEC? Any information would be appreciated.



JJ
 
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Do not know of NEC code in this situation. Any thing is possible with local amendments. The only thing I had to comply with in a day care was through the health dept. with regards to lighting. The Dept. of Health and Human Resources had a standard of 52 lumens at desk height. Other than that every thing else was standard.
 
I'm researching the Federal statutes on the definition of Child care facilities. LOL.
I am proposing a standard regarding the use of Tamper proof Receptacles and Arc fault in areas used for child development, whether it?s a residence or a non-dwelling unit. Hopefully someone else has already pursued a proposal.
Checking local codes.


Children are our future and they deserve a safe environment.

Feedback is welcome

JJ
 
JJWalecka said:
I3city made me raise an eyebrow... Where is there a reference to child care areas in the code? Local Code?
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Take a look at 517.18(C), but keep in mind what 517 applies to, see 517.1.
 
ultramegabob said:
I thought you were going to break out into a Whitney Houston song there for a second:D
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Exactly. Another misguided individual who wants to bubble wrap yet another little piece of the world at the expense of others, so he can feel like he?s making a difference while living out his Mother Teresa fantasy. Also, as usual, hiding behind the ruse, ?do it for the children?.

What impact do you really think that proposal will have on actually solving any issues, as they exist today? None.
The children may be our future, but they live in the here and now.
 
Kjay are you aware that about 2000 kids a year go to emergency rooms because of shocks from receptacles.

It does not seem outrageous to try to do something about it.
 
iwire said:
Kjay are you aware that about 2000 kids a year go to emergency rooms because of shocks from receptacles.

It does not seem outrageous to try to do something about it.
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Huuuurrraa for you 'iwire'.

I have a little 6-months girl, and I will feel very bad if my kid hets hurt (or dies :confused: just by not spending the extra dollars. Seems that 'Kjay' is not getting the safety issues involved here. Kids act because they are kids, but we, as grown up people, are the ones putting the receptacles (and almosts everything) in their way.
cheers:smile:
 
iwire said:
Kjay are you aware that about 2000 kids a year go to emergency rooms because of shocks from receptacles.

It does not seem outrageous to try to do something about it.
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Well.? what should the standard boilerplate response from a Massachusetts resident be?
How about, ?this situation represents a tragedy that can only be solved through more broad sweeping regulation and increased funding from taxpayers.?
Please don?t ever ask me to rubber stamp support for the ?Nanny State? mentality, greater government regulation and taxpayer expense when the need has not substantiated.
1] Would you please tell me what percentage of those 2000 children were hurt in the type of childcare areas that the OP was referring to?
2] Of that, what percentage of the total number of children in all childcare facilities available that represents?
3] Most importantly, how many of these incidents could have been prevented with a simple 15-cent push-in childproof adapter and a little more supervision and/or common sense?

Please don?t be trite and respond with ?One child is too many!?

Sorry if I seem rude, but I am not merely trying to get a rise or be callous and pigheaded. Facts, not fiction and emotional blackmail should prevail when making decisions that affect everyone.

Again, what would the proposed regulation suggested by the OP due for the situation and hazards as they exist today? Nothing.
 
KJay


You are entitled to your opinion.
?Exactly. Another misguided individual who wants to bubble wrap yet another little piece of the world at the expense of others, so he can feel like he?s making a difference while living out his Mother Teresa fantasy. Also, as usual, hiding behind the ruse, ?do it for the children?.?

Are we in third grade?putting someone down that you don?t know? you must feel powerful ?hurray for you.

If trying to make a difference in this troubled world is misguided then I?m guilty. We live in a country founded on change. I believe that if something isn?t right change it. ?That?s just the way it is? is bull!

If installing a tamper proof receptacle will save a Childs life then it should be a law.

How do you sleep at night?


Granted arc faults may be required in abundance so the manufactures can make some of the money back that they invested in it. But IT IS a safer installation.
If you can't see that I feel sorry for you.

Read a book.

Justin J. Walecka
 
KJay said:
Well.… what should the standard boilerplate response from a Massachusetts resident be?
How about, “this situation represents a tragedy that can only be solved through more broad sweeping regulation and increased funding from taxpayers.”
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You are seriously overreacting to some very simply posts.

JJWalecka just wants some info, that is what this forum is for. All I did was point out some easily verifiable facts.


Please don’t ever ask me to rubber stamp support for the “Nanny State” mentality, greater government regulation and taxpayer expense when the need has not substantiated.
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Nobody in this thread has even remotely asked your approval or stamp for anything. :roll:

Please don’t be trite and respond with “One child is too many!”
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Listen bud, I have a few posts on this forum, if you can find in any one of them where I have ever said something even remotely close to “One child is too many!” I will drive to your home and buy you a beer.


Sorry if I seem rude, but I am not merely trying to get a rise or be callous and pigheaded.
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Well you have been rude, it is fine to disagree with peoples opinion but you should try to do it respectfully.

Facts, not fiction and emotional blackmail should prevail when making decisions that affect everyone.
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Who here has the power to make a decision that effects everyone?

JJWalecka can put in a code proposal just like you can. If he can provide reasonably substantiation it might be accepted.

Even at that point you could put in a response during the public comment period before it becomes code.

Again, what would the proposed regulation suggested by the OP due for the situation and hazards as they exist today? Nothing.
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That is an opinion, one you are entitled to, but I will not comment either way until I see the proposal, the reasons for it and what it is expected to do.

Maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the be today but you might try to disagree without being a smart$.
 
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