Circuit Breaker Panel Box

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Mindymay

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I am purchasing a home that has a bathroom in its
garage. Directly above the sink, the circuit breaker panels (2) are located. I believe this is a national code violation. I am asking the owner to have it moved. Is this necessary? Should circuit panels be located above sinks? How much will it cost to be moved or is there another remedy?
 

bphgravity

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Many licensed and insured electrical contractors will provide free estimates. Call your building department to get a list of local contractors that can hep you with this issue.
 

charlie b

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Two code articles (from the National Electrical Code) come to my mind. One is 240.24(E). This article prohibits overcurrent devices (such at the breakers in your panels) from being in a bathroom. The other is 110.26. This article says that the area in front of a panel has to be clear of any obstacles. In your case, an electrician would have to lean over the sink, in order to work on the panels, and this would mean that work could not be done safely. So I would say you are looking at at least two code violations.

So I do recommend that you have the panels moved. That is different than saying that there is any law that would force you (or the seller) to move them. Every local jurisdiction has its own way to handle "pre-existing code violations."

I can't tell you anything about costs, since I am an engineer, not an electrician. But the simplest way (if it can be done at all) is for the electrician to install a new panel outside the bathroom area, but as close as it can be reasonably placed. Then they run conduits from the new panel to the old, rip out all the internal parts of the old panels, and extend wires from the old to the new. The old panels essentially become a junction box, and remain in their existing locations. Another approach is to pull all the wires back to some convenient point (perhaps in the ceiling), install a junction box there, and extend all wires from that point to the location of the new panel.

If there is any way you can get the seller to take care of this as a condition of the purchase, you will be better off.
 

pierre

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Up until 1993, panels were permitted in bathrooms.
The sink in front of the panel is an issue, but the bathroom may not be legal to start with. Before you move the panel, make sure the bathroom is permitted to be installed where it is.
 
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bthielen

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It seems to me that this situation is more or less up to you, the buyer. You can, as a condition of sale, require this panel to be moved but only if the seller is willing to do so. If he/she is not willing then you two have an issue to resolve in order to proceed with the sale. Bottom line is, who is more serious about this deal and so who is willing to give?

There may not be any laws that will require the seller to move the panel unless it can be shown that it was installed in violation of the code at that time or there are provisions in the law that don't allow this situation to be grandfathered in.

Bob
 

apauling

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you could just remove the sink. a toilet by itself does not make a bathroom. moving the sink to another location outside the "room" might be far cheaper.
 

charlie b

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Originally posted by apauling: you could just remove the sink. a toilet by itself does not make a bathroom.
Good thinking. But since the person asking the question is not familiar with NEC language, perhaps a short explanation might be in order.

In my earlier post, I cited an NEC rule that forbids overcurrent devices to be installed in bathrooms. Article 100 of the NEC is a list of definitions. It defines "bathroom" as "An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a shower." So if you were to move the sink out of the area (i.e., beyond the bathroom's walls and door), then the NEC would no longer consider the room to be a "bathroom."

Strange as it might be for a garage to contain a bathroom, it is not as strange for a sink to be in the vicinity of a working area (i.e., in a garage).
 

petersonra

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Originally posted by Mindymay:
I am purchasing a home that has a bathroom in its
garage. Directly above the sink, the circuit breaker panels (2) are located. I believe this is a national code violation. I am asking the owner to have it moved. Is this necessary? Should circuit panels be located above sinks? How much will it cost to be moved or is there another remedy?
If you want the house, buy it and get it fixed yourself. Use the code violations as leverage to get the owner to drop his price.

Moving the sink or moving the electrical boxes are both practical solutions to the problem of the code violations.
 
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