Circuit Continuously Tripping

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ken44

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Austin, TX
I have an ice cream freezer in one of our cafeteria's that is tripping the circuit about 2-3 times a day, I was wondering if anyone knows if the NEC address's this type of circumstance or of any other publication that might address this issue from either a safety or fire hazard standpoint as the customer is currently refusing to pay for the addition of an individual branch circuit.
 

Buck Parrish

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NC & IN
Their are NEC references but we need more info. Such as the amps required by the machine. You need to look at the name plate of the machine.
You have to do what will make it work correctly. If the owner does not want to pay for it. Next time it trips, tell him he needs a new circuit
 

drbond24

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I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll take a stab at it.

I don't know if there are limits to how often a breaker can trip, if that is what you're asking.

On the other hand, there is a reason the breaker is tripping and that is probably because the existing circuit isn't sized correctly and therefore is not NEC compliant. Find the violation and show it to the customer. You'll have a little leverage to use once you can prove it is more than just an inconvenience.
 

Buck Parrish

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NC & IN
Also I'll add. Ken, if you are still around. If a breaker trips often enough. It will eventually wear out. Then instead of tripping it will cause a fire.
 

zog

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Charlotte, NC
I have an ice cream freezer in one of our cafeteria's that is tripping the circuit about 2-3 times a day, I was wondering if anyone knows if the NEC address's this type of circumstance or of any other publication that might address this issue from either a safety or fire hazard standpoint as the customer is currently refusing to pay for the addition of an individual branch circuit.

Depends on the breaker type, the manufacture will have published duty ratings for each breaker. Typically MCCB's are only rated for 1-3 fault interuptions before it should be replaced. Because most dont have indicators as to what type of fault occured (LT, ST, INST) you need to assume it is not an overload and it is a fault condition.

Resetting a breaker without checking the circuit after a fault interuption is an OSHA violation.

1910.334 (b)(2) "Reclosing circuits after protective device operation." After a circuit is deenergized
by a circuit protective device, the circuit protective device, the circuit may not
be manually reenergized until it has been determined that the equipment and
circuit can be safely energized. The repetitive manual reclosing of circuit breakers
or reenergizing circuits through replaced fuses is prohibited.

Note: When it can be determined from the design of the circuit and the
overcurrent devices involved that the automatic operation of a device was
caused by an overload rather than a fault condition, no examination of the circuit
or connected equipment is needed before the circuit is reenergized.
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
Is the circuit overloaded?
Is the circuit breaker bad?
Are there loose connections leading to thermal conditions resulting in the operation of the CB?
 

electricmanscott

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Location
Boston, MA
I have an ice cream freezer in one of our cafeteria's that is tripping the circuit about 2-3 times a day, I was wondering if anyone knows if the NEC address's this type of circumstance or of any other publication that might address this issue from either a safety or fire hazard standpoint as the customer is currently refusing to pay for the addition of an individual branch circuit.


How about common sense? If a breaker keeps tripping, there is a reason for it, either address the issue or keep letting the food go bad.



This was an easy one. No code book needed.
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
Occupation
Electrical Contractor
Two possibilities:

1. The breaker is tripping becauise it should be: overloaded circuit.

2. The breaker should not be tripping: breaker should be replaces.

Is this an installation that was working at one time? If so, something has changed. You need to find out what.

The equipment is going bad, something has been added to the circuit, or the breaker is tripping below its rating.

I'd start with a clamp-on ammeter. Also, if possible, ask what, if anything, else shuts off then the breaker trips.
 
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