Hi guys,
I have existing apartments buildings that need the services repaired/replaced. What seems to have happened here is existing 60a panels have been upgraded to 100a. This was done without a permit and before the new owner owned the building. The city is aware of this and wants an electrician to repair.
These apartments are not typical as far as the service goes. The meters are in groups of 2 with occasionally a 3rd house meter. 1 building will have 3-4 separate groups of 2 meters. Each group of 2 with its own overhead cable riser. Currently it is #2 SEU up from the meter, #6 SEU down to the panel and the meters are double tapped and other violations. This is one of the buildings...
Originally the city wanted a load calculation and line drawing. I spoke with them, said I would do this and come in early the following week to touch base and submit.
I do the load calculations, it comes to 42A per unit, but some units have had 240v ranges added in the past so this brings it to 59A per unit. Each service only servers 2 units, bringing us to a calculated load of 118A for 2 units. On the line drawing I draw it up as 2/0 SEU coming up out of a duplex meter bank (or trough depending on availability), then #2 SEU down to each panel.
When I come to submit this the inspector does not want to look at any of it because they have changed their minds and want an engineer to do it. I initially agree as I want to appease the city and how hard could it be?
Well it seems it is kind of hard. I try to find an engineer using Google, contacting other master electricians, other electrical companies, other municipalities, other electrical inspectors and even the electrical inspector requesting this and having no luck, not even the slightest lead. Everyone seems to be saying this is our job, even one inspector saying this inspector is being lazy.
I emailed the electrical inspector and building director with my dilemma and no response. I called and left a message with the Director, no response.
My questions are:
Do you know anyone who can do a load calculation & line drawing for these apartments that we can hire to satisfy the city?
What do you think of this cities decision to require this on an essentially 2 panel service?
Should I push the city on this, sticking with the fact this is on our master's test and shouldn't be the issue they are making it?
Should I submit a freedom of information act request to see how many times they have requested this previously in the last 5yrs? LOL
Thank you for any help and ideas!
Ps. This is the City of Roseville, MI.. Electrical Inspector Larry Roberts and building Director James Osterhout.
I have existing apartments buildings that need the services repaired/replaced. What seems to have happened here is existing 60a panels have been upgraded to 100a. This was done without a permit and before the new owner owned the building. The city is aware of this and wants an electrician to repair.
These apartments are not typical as far as the service goes. The meters are in groups of 2 with occasionally a 3rd house meter. 1 building will have 3-4 separate groups of 2 meters. Each group of 2 with its own overhead cable riser. Currently it is #2 SEU up from the meter, #6 SEU down to the panel and the meters are double tapped and other violations. This is one of the buildings...
Originally the city wanted a load calculation and line drawing. I spoke with them, said I would do this and come in early the following week to touch base and submit.
I do the load calculations, it comes to 42A per unit, but some units have had 240v ranges added in the past so this brings it to 59A per unit. Each service only servers 2 units, bringing us to a calculated load of 118A for 2 units. On the line drawing I draw it up as 2/0 SEU coming up out of a duplex meter bank (or trough depending on availability), then #2 SEU down to each panel.
When I come to submit this the inspector does not want to look at any of it because they have changed their minds and want an engineer to do it. I initially agree as I want to appease the city and how hard could it be?
Well it seems it is kind of hard. I try to find an engineer using Google, contacting other master electricians, other electrical companies, other municipalities, other electrical inspectors and even the electrical inspector requesting this and having no luck, not even the slightest lead. Everyone seems to be saying this is our job, even one inspector saying this inspector is being lazy.
I emailed the electrical inspector and building director with my dilemma and no response. I called and left a message with the Director, no response.
My questions are:
Do you know anyone who can do a load calculation & line drawing for these apartments that we can hire to satisfy the city?
What do you think of this cities decision to require this on an essentially 2 panel service?
Should I push the city on this, sticking with the fact this is on our master's test and shouldn't be the issue they are making it?
Should I submit a freedom of information act request to see how many times they have requested this previously in the last 5yrs? LOL
Thank you for any help and ideas!
Ps. This is the City of Roseville, MI.. Electrical Inspector Larry Roberts and building Director James Osterhout.
