Closets and Outlets

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Aledrell

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Architec walked a jobsite today and argued that outlet despite Homeowners wants could not be in a closet by code. I thought this was "over current protection devices." Have put outlets in walk in closet and smaller closets for that matter and never had an inspector say two words. Also while we are the topic, doesn't code say that no clothing 18in or shelves etc for distance to a recessed light. Otherwise you must have a shower trim, yet I remember having an inspector tell me people stack boxes to the ceiling in closets and he wanted shower trims regardless. What your guys take on this? Thanks for your inputs.:-?
 
You can put all the outlets you want in a closet. No code forbids it. And outlets are certainly not over current protection devices.
 
Aledrell said:
Architec walked a jobsite today and argued that outlet despite Homeowners wants could not be in a closet by code. I thought this was "over current protection devices." Have put outlets in walk in closet and smaller closets for that matter and never had an inspector say two words. Also while we are the topic, doesn't code say that no clothing 18in or shelves etc for distance to a recessed light. Otherwise you must have a shower trim, yet I remember having an inspector tell me people stack boxes to the ceiling in closets and he wanted shower trims regardless. What your guys take on this? Thanks for your inputs.:-?
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architect needs to stay to drawing things on paper and let you do your job, because he is wrong.
 
And thats why hes an architect and not an electrician or anything else related to our field. He needs to sit behind his desk design a flawed project that we have to fix. He was probaly upset because customer asked him for the outlet said couldnt do it gets to site finds out hey we can do that. Heres your humble pie sir. Nice job hand it to him hot bro
 
Local codes might be the reason(s)

Im not allowed to install an outlet in a closet per my local code nor am I allowed to have any light fixture installed with an exposed bulb.
 
Aledrell said:
Architec walked a jobsite today and argued that outlet despite Homeowners wants could not be in a closet by code. ? Thanks for your inputs.:-?
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I spend more time educating Architects on electrical code then they spend drawing the electrical on the plans. It could be a local issue, but not an NEC issue. My favorite is when they draw a switch just floating in the middle of space, no possible place to attach it due to a pocket door or some other issue, But they know better then you.:D Try to keep him on your good side architects are a good contact for new work.
 
nor am I allowed to have any light fixture installed with an exposed bulb.

In a closet that's NEC. Art 410.16 (B) If its Incandescent that is.
 
Exposed lamp

Exposed lamp

Homeowner wants light bulb that allows you to see navy blue in comparsion to black. She orginally wants flourscent lighting for this purpose and we changed it to 6in cans. Now she keeps talking about flourescent "day light" lamps and I said that there are a natural light BR30 you can buy at HD, but all light gets hindered by the shower trim. The ceiling is 12ft high and she has a stackable washer and dryer in this walking closet, are shower trims really neccessary?
 
Aledrell said:
Homeowner wants light bulb that allows you to see navy blue in comparsion to black. She orginally wants flourscent lighting for this purpose and we changed it to 6in cans. Now she keeps talking about flourescent "day light" lamps and I said that there are a natural light BR30 you can buy at HD, but all light gets hindered by the shower trim. The ceiling is 12ft high and she has a stackable washer and dryer in this walking closet, are shower trims really neccessary?
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Any incandescent luminaire (lamp type doesn't matter) must have a totally enclosed lamp to be installed in a clothes closet. 410.16(A)(1)

I do everything I can to talk HOs out of recess cans in closets for this reason.
 
Aledrell said:
...are shower trims really neccessary?
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If the lamp explodes and ignites the clothing, there could be a fire. I believe that is the reason for the code.

Regardless of the reasoning, failure to comply with the minimum requirements of the NEC, especially intentionally, is opening you up to serious consequences in the long run. Do you see her comfort as a good reason to jeopardize her safety, and your peace of mind (staying out of court)?
 
Solve it the easy way, get rough inspection and point out the receptacle to him/her and ask if they have a problem with it (nec allows). Then tell home owner what you did. Now let the arc tell them they can't have it. If he want's to look like an ID 10 T let him.
 
electricmanscott said:
Are you sure? Can you proove this?
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I looked through my local code book today.
I have a 1987 edition and I am unable to obtain a new one, only amendments.
Rule 239(l)
Receptacle oulets installed on general purpose circuits shall not be installed in closets or cabinets, over or under sinks, over or within (2) feet of a bathtub.

The latest amendments I was able to aquire are from 2005 and Rule 239 has not been amended.
 
aftershock said:
I looked through my local code book today.
I have a 1987 edition and I am unable to obtain a new one, only amendments.
Rule 239(l)
Receptacle oulets installed on general purpose circuits shall not be installed in closets or cabinets, over or under sinks, over or within (2) feet of a bathtub.

The latest amendments I was able to aquire are from 2005 and Rule 239 has not been amended.
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Thats one goofy code.
 
George Stolz said:
It's "prove" not proove. :D :D

You do realize this will continue as long as you have that sig, right? ;)
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No George I mean't it that way. In fact I should have added a few more o's. Say it with me...prooooove... :grin:


Screwing up spelling is one thing, totally using the wrong word is another. ;)
 
aftershock said:
I looked through my local code book today.
I have a 1987 edition and I am unable to obtain a new one, only amendments.
Rule 239(l)
Receptacle oulets installed on general purpose circuits shall not be installed in closets or cabinets, over or under sinks, over or within (2) feet of a bathtub.

The latest amendments I was able to aquire are from 2005 and Rule 239 has not been amended.
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I wonder what the reasoning is. :confused:
 
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