Code or not?

[sparky1118]

I looked at a job today and need to add circuits to this electrical panel. The home is about ten years old. What are your thoughts on this install?

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[tom baker]

Pipe is a violation. Electrical is normally done after plumbing
Your solution is to disconnect all romex at top, fir out plywood so pipe is behind panel
Is this a service or feeder?
May need a bit more of cable at bottom

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Dedicated equipment space was added in the 1999 edition of the code. That should have never passed the original inspection.

 

[augie47]

Unless mandated by an inspector I would say the owner won't want tg address the problem. Advise and proceed.

 

[sparky1118]

I discussed my concerns with the homeowner. I’m not sure how this even passed. However I do need to add to this panel and need to speak to the inspector before hand.


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[sparky1118]

I was just curious what everyone’s thoughts were about this. Some people say since the pipe is over 6’2” it is out of the dedicated space. I personally think that’s wrong and any plumbing above an electrical panel is a violation


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[goldstar]

Electrical is normally done after plumbing

A lot depends on what you consider "normal". A lot also depends on who was there first. In my experience, we EC's are extremely concerned about issues like these whereas plumbers couldn't give a red rat's tail about the violation. IMHO, an EI might let this go if it didn't have a glued fitting right over the panel. That said, as a band-aid type of solution I would look into building some type of metal shroud over the panel and under the pipe to avoid the possibility of a leak in the pipe dripping into the panel. I don't know if MA issues inspection stickers after inspecting a job but if they do, I don't see any stickers on this panel.

 

[augie47]

Seemingly two separate issues. As I recall one of the issues involved was keeping the area above panels clear to allow for conduit entry, etc.
obviously not a major issue in this situation. Secondly foreign piping which can be addressed with a drip pan as goldstar suggests.
Agree, it should not have passed but of relative low concern.

 

[infinity]

I was just curious what everyone’s thoughts were about this. Some people say since the pipe is over 6’2” it is out of the dedicated space. I personally think that’s wrong and any plumbing above an electrical panel is a violation

Dedicated space is 6 feet above the panel.

 

[Little Bill]

I've had two situations like this in the past. On one, the inspector allowed the install only after a drip pan was installed under/around the pipe.
2nd was just last year when I had roughed in a house. I normally don't rough until the plumbers are through, and I thought they were through here as I had roughed the main level after they had finished. However they hadn't run their main line in the basement.
I had my electrical panel in the only possible location for it. When I went to make up the panel their main plumbing drain pipe was ran right over the panel. I contacted the EI and said have the plumbers move the pipe or no "pass" on my inspection. They moved the line!

 

[scootk70]

I looked at a job today and need to add circuits to this electrical panel. The home is about ten years old. What are your thoughts on this install?

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Intumescent painted backboard.
Plumbing unacceptable location.
Protection for incoming cables from floor.

 

[Little Bill]

Intumescent painted backboard.
Plumbing unacceptable location.
Protection for incoming cables from floor.

All true except nothing wrong with the back board.

 

[zbang]

(And please don't quote the pictures, they take up enough space already.)