jimwalker
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Is there any nec violation if circuits leave a panel lets say 1,3,5 and all three are blue?
Color code
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davedottcom
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Re: Color code
Only if they enter a space with other wires of a different voltage.
Dave
Only if they enter a space with other wires of a different voltage.
Dave
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
Wait, I did it again, I answered too quickly!
Ok, my new answer is:
Only if the wires are 277 or 480 volts!
Dave
Wait, I did it again, I answered too quickly!
Ok, my new answer is:
Only if the wires are 277 or 480 volts!
Dave
jimwalker
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Re: Color code
So just sloppy work but legal ?
So just sloppy work but legal ?
jimwalker
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Re: Color code
all 120 y
all 120 y
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
The only job I kept every wires color code consistant for the entire building was an office bldng. for "State Farm Insurance". Has anyone else ever wired one of thier buildings? They have more specs then the NEC itself! Wires on A phase circuits had to be Black, wires on B had to be Red...etc...Many circuits had to be ran with the wires unbroken for the entire circuit! Every single wire marked with a number at every J-box, breaker, device, J-box covers labeled...etc...
That job took really, really long!
Dave
The only job I kept every wires color code consistant for the entire building was an office bldng. for "State Farm Insurance". Has anyone else ever wired one of thier buildings? They have more specs then the NEC itself! Wires on A phase circuits had to be Black, wires on B had to be Red...etc...Many circuits had to be ran with the wires unbroken for the entire circuit! Every single wire marked with a number at every J-box, breaker, device, J-box covers labeled...etc...
That job took really, really long!
Dave
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
I thought it was a trick question! :roll:
Well, if they were 277-480 they should be Brown or orange or yellow.
I thought it was a trick question! :roll:
jimwalker
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Re: Color code
No not a trick question and was pretty sure it was legal.My helper opened the panel and wanted me to see it.Scary but told him i thaught it was legal ,just kinda stupid.Makes life fun to get 2 blues 1 red 1 white.Guess phase tape was a back order.
No not a trick question and was pretty sure it was legal.My helper opened the panel and wanted me to see it.Scary but told him i thaught it was legal ,just kinda stupid.Makes life fun to get 2 blues 1 red 1 white.Guess phase tape was a back order.
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Re: Color code
As of the 2005 NEC you never have to identify the phases,only the system.
You can make all 208Y/120 phases Brown and all the 480Y/277 Phases Orange.
Never trust a color to determine the voltage.
As of the 2005 NEC you never have to identify the phases,only the system.
You can make all 208Y/120 phases Brown and all the 480Y/277 Phases Orange.
Never trust a color to determine the voltage.
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Re: Color code
Where does it say that they can't be blue on a 277/480 volt system?
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Re: Color code
Beat me again Bob!
Beat me again Bob!
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Re: Color code
Black Red Blue White 208Y/120
Brown Orange Yellow Gray 480Y/277
Dave we do that all the time, it is company policy.
Black Red Blue White 208Y/120
Brown Orange Yellow Gray 480Y/277
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
Good Policy!Originally posted by iwire:
Dave we do that all the time, it is company policy.
Black Red Blue White 208Y/120
Brown Orange Yellow Gray 480Y/277 [/QB]
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Re: Color code
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ungrounded conductors can be any color other than white, grey, green or green with yellow stripe. We have used violet and magenta from time to time for various switching configurations.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ungrounded conductors can be any color other than white, grey, green or green with yellow stripe. We have used violet and magenta from time to time for various switching configurations.
jimwalker
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Re: Color code
yes and somehow most of us use this system.But in reality nec didnt tell us to.Why don't they ?
yes and somehow most of us use this system.But in reality nec didnt tell us to.Why don't they ?
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
hmmm, guess you're right!
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Re: Color code
Hey lets be really picky. White with colored stripes is not allowed for phase conductors either, but what about grey with stripes?
Hey lets be really picky. White with colored stripes is not allowed for phase conductors either, but what about grey with stripes?
paul
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Re: Color code
Yup, sure have. They have their own inspector that makes sure you follow their specs to the letter. They also wanted all GRS in the block walls and not PVC.
davedottcom
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Re: Color code
Paul, you know Exactly what I'm talking about! I believe you even know the same inspector, I can't think of his name, this was about 12 years ago. (One of my guys nick-named him Ramone-Calone because he wore so much Calone, you could always smell when he was in the building!!!)He used to fly around from building to building to inspect them. They use the exact same floor plan every time so he knew it real well.
Did they make you Cad-Weld a ground ring around the Transformer?
Oh, and I remember something about key switches with overloads on all 6 garage door openers!?!?
Luckily I was working for someone, but my boss was freaking out every time I told him what they want!!! I think he started looking at Spec books a lot closer after that job!
There was about 1,000' of floor duct too! What a pain in the A$*!
Dave
Editted: Actually it wasn't a ground ring around the transformer. It was a "Counterpoise Ground"! A triangle shape with a rod at each angle! Very strange to me!
[ October 05, 2005, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: davedottcom ]
Paul, you know Exactly what I'm talking about! I believe you even know the same inspector, I can't think of his name, this was about 12 years ago. (One of my guys nick-named him Ramone-Calone because he wore so much Calone, you could always smell when he was in the building!!!)He used to fly around from building to building to inspect them. They use the exact same floor plan every time so he knew it real well.
Did they make you Cad-Weld a ground ring around the Transformer?
Oh, and I remember something about key switches with overloads on all 6 garage door openers!?!?
Luckily I was working for someone, but my boss was freaking out every time I told him what they want!!! I think he started looking at Spec books a lot closer after that job!
There was about 1,000' of floor duct too! What a pain in the A$*!
Dave
Editted: Actually it wasn't a ground ring around the transformer. It was a "Counterpoise Ground"! A triangle shape with a rod at each angle! Very strange to me!
[ October 05, 2005, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: davedottcom ]
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