Commericial guy with resi questions...

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A friend of mine is wiring his house and he looked at me funny when I couldn't answer some of his questions. Its been 10 years since I've done residential so I'm a little rusty and could use a little help.

#1. He has a gas stove, with a cord and plug. Does it still need to be on its own circuit? Can it be on a kitchen circuit?

#2. Is a carbon monoxide detector required by code nowadays?

#3. He's upgrading his overhead service from 100a to 200a. The existing is in EMT. Is it still ok to run EMT, or is rigid required? The mast is attached to the side of the house. It does not extend past the roof.

#4. Can a gas dryer share a circuit with a washer, or does it have to be on its own circuit too?

Thanks in advance for any help...
 
1. It can be on the kitchen S/a circuit
2. Not by NEC , possibly by Buildng Code
3. Unless prohibited by local codes
4. Both can be on laundry circuit
 
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beegee said:
A friend of mine is wiring his house and he looked at me funny when I couldn't answer some of his questions. Its been 10 years since I've done residential so I'm a little rusty and could use a little help.

#1. He has a gas stove, with a cord and plug. Does it still need to be on its own circuit? Can it be on a kitchen circuit?
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Yes

beegee said:
#2. Is a carbon monoxide detector required by code nowadays?
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Not by the NEC.

beegee said:
#3. He's upgrading his overhead service from 100a to 200a. The existing is in EMT. Is it still ok to run EMT, or is rigid required? The mast is attached to the side of the house. It does not extend past the roof.
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Okay by NEC. Better check with POCO, they all have different rules.

beegee said:
#4. Can a gas dryer share a circuit with a washer, or does it have to be on its own circuit too?
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IMSO it's okay.
Others may disagree.

beegee said:
Thanks in advance for any help...
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You're welcome.
 
roger said:
For the answers to be more accurate it may behoove you to modify your profile and include your actual location in lieu of just "Up Nort".
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Maybe he just doesn't like that guy Nort. :grin:
 
beegee said:
A friend of mine is wiring his house and he looked at me funny when I couldn't answer some of his questions. Its been 10 years since I've done residential so I'm a little rusty and could use a little help.

#1. He has a gas stove, with a cord and plug. Does it still need to be on its own circuit? Can it be on a kitchen circuit?

#2. Is a carbon monoxide detector required by code nowadays?

#3. He's upgrading his overhead service from 100a to 200a. The existing is in EMT. Is it still ok to run EMT, or is rigid required? The mast is attached to the side of the house. It does not extend past the roof.

#4. Can a gas dryer share a circuit with a washer, or does it have to be on its own circuit too?

Thanks in advance for any help...
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Question 1: Check out 210.52(B)(2) Ex. 2 - No,Yes

Question 2: No, not in regards to the NEC but local codes may apply

Question 3: Yes, Now if you plan to use the existing EMT I would worry about the fill issues. Chances are you are running a new one anyway.

Question 4: It's Fine. The required laundry circuit ( 210.11(C)(2) is provided for the "laundry" circuits and if he dryer is gas and plugs into the laundry circuit it would be fine.)
 
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And as he stepped onto the field, security stopped him short. They asked him who he was, he said "I'm Tim, I'm from up Nort." Whereabouts they fired back. Sheboygan, he revealed. Whaddy catch? He said "Mostly Pike" They let him on the field.
 
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Augie-
Wouldn't that violate 210.23(A) (1)? With the washer and dryer both running at the same time, I could see a problem.
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Only if either one used 16a.
 
A/A Fuel GTX said:
Augie-
Wouldn't that violate 210.23(A) (1)? With the washer and dryer both running at the same time, I could see a problem.
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That gas dryer will be taking close to nothing in the way of power. . It's not a problem.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
If the washer takes more than 10 amps then i see a problem.
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from a NEC standpoint, why ? (It would seem to me that per 210.23(A)(1) there would not be concerned until it was a 16 amp load, am I wrong ?)
 
augie47 said:
from a NEC standpoint, why ? (It would seem to me that per 210.23(A)(1) there would not be concerned until it was a 16 amp load, am I wrong ?)
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Maybe i am confused on what the OP was asking.I think he was suggesting using the 120 volt 20 amp circuit for the washer to also supply the dryers motor.My concern is if the washer took 50% or more then it needs dedicated and cant be shared.Also good chance the washer directions will say dedicated circuit.Most likely it would still work.
 
augie47 said:
from a NEC standpoint, why ? (It would seem to me that per 210.23(A)(1) there would not be concerned until it was a 16 amp load, am I wrong ?)
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210.23 Permissible Loads.
In no case shall the load exceed the branch-circuit ampere rating. An individual branch circuit shall be permitted to supply any load for which it is rated. A branch circuit supplying two or more outlets or receptacles shall supply only the loads specified according to its size as specified in 210.23(A) through (D) and as summarized in 210.24 and Table 210.24.
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The first sentance does not get tossed once you get to the rest of the paragraph - the next code...

If you say had a 12a washer and a 9a dryer - you more than likely will have problems at 21a whenever someone does laundry - and a not so happy customer. Most are much less... Just an example. Most are ~7-8A each.

Oh and heres a fun one - it does not say "equipment" or "appliances" after the word "Laundry" in 210.52, or 210.11 - so what exactly is the context of this word... A room named "Laundry"? "Laundry" appliances??? (That could mean an iron too.) We used to have some OLD inspecors here, and I used to work for an OLD electrician - who had the interpetation that it was for the laundry ROOM, not the equipment which Ye Old Dudes felt were both seperate due to the 'no other outlets' and fastened in place by the plumbing and duct work rendering them not portable.
If you don't think that is fastened in place - you go take that washer there upstairs and go test all the outlets with it on the second floor - then the third. - Old Joe
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Anyway - thier take on it was that the outlet in the "room" was intended for an Iron when originally put in the code.... Maybe someone noes the answer to what the intent here was???

Anyway - I figure both the washer and dryer are OK on the same - as well as an additional outlet somewhere would one use an Iron... In most cases - unless they have a maid... (Who'll use all 3 at the same time)
 
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FWIW, around here you have to have a mast that protrudes above the roof, the service drop are not permitted to be secured to the structure, must be secured to the mast. Some AHJ's and POCO's also are requiring new equipment to be suitable for overhead and undeground feeds.
 
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