compressor motor blew up

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Hooked up a 230v compressor to a 120/240v high leg delta. (Motor hookup is 2 hots and a ground.)
turned it on and it blew up. Flames from the motor.
Manufacturer says we have too high voltage at 250v A-B, B-C, A-C?
I say its a motor failure as it was almost immediate.
Thoughts?
 
A 230 VAC rated motor should be able to run on 10% over voltage, which would be 253 VAC.

No matter what two phases you chose, a 120/240 high leg delta should give you the nominal 240 VAC, so I do not think you could have hooked it up wrong phase wise.
 
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I found this on another thread here.

Are you sure you didn't have a dual voltage motor tapped incorrectly?
 
For what it's worth I have spoke to the people at Quincy compressors (http://www.quincycompressor.com/) in the past.

There motors are are for specific voltages, meaning if you have a high leg they supply a different motor than if you have a Y 120/208.

From this brochure: http://www.revbase.com/tt/sl.ashx?z=12b3cd59&dataid=106966&ft=1

QT is available in five splash lubricated two-stage models from 5 HP to 15 HP. The 230-volt single-phase and three-phase Pro and Max part numbers are listed on the chart above. All Pro and Max part numbers are voltage specific. See your Quincy Compressor distributor for additional voltages and part numbers.
 
There motors are are for specific voltages, meaning if you have a high leg they supply a different motor than if you have a Y 120/208.

From this brochure...

I'm not seeing anything about different part numbers for high leg. I can see they have different part numbers to reflect the voltage requirements of the motors since the compressors are pre-built.

Maybe you should have got the No Bull warranty.:happyyes:



-Hal
 
Hooked up a 230v compressor to a 120/240v high leg delta. (Motor hookup is 2 hots and a ground.)
turned it on and it blew up. Flames from the motor.
Manufacturer says we have too high voltage at 250v A-B, B-C, A-C?
I say its a motor failure as it was almost immediate.
Thoughts?

you have three possible voltages available to you on delta.
even with an open delta, that doesn't change.

120,208, and 240.

and 230 is a "will work on 208~240" specification, usually.


none of them should let out the magic flames.
what burnt? capacitor(s) or windings?

you had a bad motor. did you megger it before hookup?
 
Hooked up a 230v compressor to a 120/240v high leg delta. (Motor hookup is 2 hots and a ground.)
turned it on and it blew up. Flames from the motor.
Manufacturer says we have too high voltage at 250v A-B, B-C, A-C?
I say its a motor failure as it was almost immediate.
Thoughts?
I'd say you are right and the guy you talked to is wrong.

High leg has got nothing to do with it and the manufacturer is wrong about the voltage being too high unless you have a 200V motor.

Is this a new compressor? What HP is the motor?
 
I'm not seeing anything about different part numbers for high leg. I can see they have different part numbers to reflect the voltage requirements of the motors since the compressors are pre-built.

Maybe you should have got the No Bull warranty.:happyyes:-Hal

Not sure what you mean about not seeing different part numbers?

QT is available in five splash lubricated two-stage models from 5 HP to 15 HP. The 230-volt single-phase and three-phase Pro and Max part numbers are listed on the chart above. All Pro and Max part numbers are voltage specific. See your Quincy Compressor distributor for additional voltages and part numbers.

But again, I spoke direct with the tech support people before wiring the compressor that was bought and on site. The customer returned it and got the correct voltage model, we wired it, it didn't let out any magic smoke.

I am not saying that is what happened with mltech's motor, just my experience.

Maybe mltech will post manufacturer and model numbers of the unit he was working with?
 
My guess is this was a straight 208 volt motor that was connected to a 240 volt supply.

Accepting that, 240/208 suggests 15% over-voltage. Optimum, no. What's going to smoke on initial power application? I think there is more to the story.
 
Accepting that, 240/208 suggests 15% over-voltage. Optimum, no. What's going to smoke on initial power application? I think there is more to the story.

According to the chart, a straight 208 volt motor can tolerate 220 volts maximum. 240 is well over that. Enough to immediately smoke it? Probably not, but if it was already weak, it's certainly enough to make it die.
 
According to the chart, a straight 208 volt motor can tolerate 220 volts maximum. 240 is well over that. Enough to immediately smoke it? Probably not, but if it was already weak, it's certainly enough to make it die.
IF (big if) the motor was 200V and it got hit with 240V that might make some smoke, it would be bad for the motor for sure. The op said fire, that is evidence of something worse going on.
 
Blown compressor motor

Blown compressor motor

Sorry for late response. I got locked out of my account?
Anyway, compressor motor is straight 230v and made by Baldor on a Quincy machine. QP series.
Not sure if there could be a wrong way to hook it up, 2 hots and a ground on a 30 amp breaker?
Sparks and then a big flame right out the bottom front of the motor!
The genie was out! Smoke and nothing left to test. I did not meggar the motor? Sounds like a good tip but as it seemed simple and straight forward I neglected to test anything other than voltage coming in.
Quincy is sending a rep out tomorrow to test electrical and look at installation.
Will let you all know the outcome.
Thank you for all the input.
 
Sorry for late response. I got locked out of my account?
Anyway, compressor motor is straight 230v and made by Baldor on a Quincy machine. QP series.
Not sure if there could be a wrong way to hook it up, 2 hots and a ground on a 30 amp breaker?
Sparks and then a big flame right out the bottom front of the motor!
The genie was out! Smoke and nothing left to test. I did not meggar the motor? Sounds like a good tip but as it seemed simple and straight forward I neglected to test anything other than voltage coming in.
Quincy is sending a rep out tomorrow to test electrical and look at installation.
Will let you all know the outcome.
Thank you for all the input.
New motor? I had a new 15 HP Baldor (single phase) motor that smoked first time powering it up last fall, and a couple others in the past couple years. I think their QC must be going south, maybe I should just say east to Asia:)
 
I was an EE at a competitor of Quincy. I'll just say we would only supply a Baldor motor if spec'd by the customer and leave it at that....
 
"High leg" means absolutely nothing with regard to the phase-to phase voltage, so if feeding a single phase 230V rated motor, it can ONLY be phase to phase. You CANNOT get anything higher than that. So unless someone bought a 200V rated motor, what he said is just their attempt to avoid having to eat a bad motor. Even if it was a 200V motor and you gave it 250V, it would take a long time for the extra heating effect to damage the insulation, in fact people do that sort of thing all the time (in emergencies) with machines like compressors that cycle on and off because they often don't run for long enough periods without rest to cause immediate thermal damage.

But was it perhaps a 3 phase motor and you assumed it was single phase? Connecting a 3 phase motor with one phase to ground would cause some damage. But against, immediately? I would not think so. The motor would try to run single phase but would not spin, so current would rise fast and trip a breaker or clear a fuse.

Bottom line, if you connected it correctly and it was the right motor, it was bad. And given that it fried instantly, I'd bet big money it was bad before you got it.
 
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