Concrete Encased Electrode Proposal

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I propose we refer to a Concrete Encased Electrode as a CEE. :)

Concrete Encased Electrode is a mouthful and calling them uffers is like calling NM, 'Romex' or split bolts, 'Burndys'.
 
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I he were alive, I don't think H.G.Ufer of UL would care to be known as a H.G. "concrete encased electrode". How about HGU in his honor. :D
 
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What Bob is talking about is a Concrete Encased Electrode not a Ufer. Ufer's design for the military was quite a bit more involved than the NEC's CEE.(I like CEE Bob :) )

When we loosely use the word "UFER" to describe a CEE it is not correct, the NEC correctly uses the term Concrete Encased Electrode

g3guy, you must have forgotten that. :D

Roger
 
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Originally posted by roger:
What Bob is talking about is a Concrete Encased Electrode not a Ufer. Ufer's design for the military was quite a bit more involved than the NEC's CEE.(I like CEE Bob :) )
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Roger nailed it. :D

[/b][/quote]At this point I would re-register under a different name. [/b][/quote]I have been thinking the same thing since the 'original incident'. :D

You gotta admit g3guy has got a large set of.... :D
 
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I also use such terms as; kernies(splitbolts), battleships(old work box supports), rope(NM-B or C or whatever letter we're on now), greenies(stupid green wirenuts with hole in the end of them), and NEUTRAL(figure it out yerself). I ain't up for no new terminology at this point. If I say Uffer and you understand me, then my wording has worked successfully. :p
 
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Originally posted by paul:
I also use such terms as; kernies(splitbolts), battleships(old work box supports), rope(NM-B or C or whatever letter we're on now), greenies(stupid green wirenuts with hole in the end of them), and NEUTRAL(figure it out yerself).
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Sure I use all of those terms when I speak with my co-workers. :)

But here where we talk about the NEC IMO it is important to use the language of the NEC.

You will not find Ufer used in the NEC.

You will not likely ever install a true Ufer.

Originally posted by paul:
I ain't up for no new terminology at this point. If I say Uffer and you understand me, then my wording has worked successfully. :D
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Can we come up with a name that those neanderthal apes otherwise known as masons can learn to call it? Since we have to train them to let us know when the slab will be poured so we can get an inspector there to witness our connection to the rebar in the footing, or train the baboons to turn up a piece of the rebar. We need a name they can remember and understand. Lets call it "Mindy". Please excuse and forgive me if any of you ever worked as a mason or are related to any. I just am somewhat nonplussed by them for a certain incident that happened lately. (Promise to hold back on the grout until electrical rough in is finished. never happend, customer now has some wiremold to look at.)
 
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Here is a good example of just why codes (including definitions) are established. 100 people will have 100 different ideas and pulling them all together is not easy. A code with definitions makes it mandatory, therefore it is generally followed.

Good try Bob, I for one agree CEE is good.
 
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macmikeman,
Masons don't pour concrete...they lay blocks and brick. Laborers and finishers pour concrete and the iron workers install the rebar.
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
Originally posted by electroluminescent:
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What the? Spell check? :D

You gotta admit g3guy has got a large set of.... :D
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Agreed! :D

Oh, and, sure, I'll go along with CCE. But we'll wind up typing out "Concrete Encased Electrode (CCE)" the first post in every thread, though. :roll:
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Don, around here, the "concrete guys" install the rebar and finish the concrete. I've yet to install a CCE, so I've yet to wish them ill will. :cool:

Masons ('Brickies') only come out for the facades on the front of the buildings.
 
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Maybe we could try something like, "I was installing a 250.52(A)(3) the other day when..."

Some of the ways I have heard it called or written in the field:

Rebar ground, Rod ground
Floor ground, Slab ground, Footer ground
Uffer, Ufor, U-4, ufered, and a few others I can't recall and,
Concrete Entombed Electrode
 
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Originally posted by iwire:

Of course your free to call things whatever you want....including me. :D
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Nah...I like ya and we normally see things the same. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop using the term Uffer. Oh...I also still say MCM when refering to wire.

"What is in a name? That which we call
a rose by any other word would smell as
sweet."---William Shakespeare

:D

[ January 01, 2006, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: paul ]
 
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Originally posted by Jhr:
Concrete Entombed Electrode
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I like this one :D Here that is exactly what we do.Steel guys lay and tie rebar we go behind and install a piece of #4 slab guys have already cut plastic for contact with earth insp. signs it off and away we go.
Much better than prior method.Steel guys would bend a 90 out from under form boards.We would acorn #4 service ground from their cut off excess
rebar and done deal.
I am not sure how it started but the cheif WANTED all ufers checked on final :roll: So here we were digging up lawns on finals .They had us and knew it want a final show me the gec connection is tight and we will sign it off :confused: It was signed offf on rough now you want to see it again.
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How about ICE, for "In Concrete Electrode"? That way, we could say that "the service has been ICEd." :D
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
How about ICE, for "In Concrete Electrode"? That way, we could say that "the service has been ICEd." :D
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Sounds cool to me. :cool:
 
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