I recently got a call from a customer who recently switched insurance companies. upon inspection by his new company of one of his properties in particular a bar, a question was raised. In the basement of this building are all of the services. ie. gas water electric sewer. Coming from the 400amp comercial (single phase)service is a 2" ridgid metallic conduit that runs along the wall and behind a natural gas meter and then up to the first floor to the kithchen. The inspector from the insurance Co. didnt like this and said that he wanted it changed. I have not been able to unearth anything in the NEC that dictates that if this is legal or not. Has anyone else had a problem like this? Your input is appreciated!
Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
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Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
Remember this is an insurance company. They are allowed to categorize high risk drivers and charge a higher rate for these people, so why can't they make rules for insuring buildings?
In reality your customer could challenge him, but they may be looking for a new insurance company after being cancelled.
Roger
Remember this is an insurance company. They are allowed to categorize high risk drivers and charge a higher rate for these people, so why can't they make rules for insuring buildings?
In reality your customer could challenge him, but they may be looking for a new insurance company after being cancelled.
Roger
Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
Be careful of what you say, you might be wrong. The gas service near an electrical panel is not a NEC issue. It comes from NFPA 54 paragraph 2.7.2. Which states that a gas meter shall be located at least three feet from sources of ignition. It also says that gas meters shall be located in ventilated spaces readily accessible for examination, reading, replacement or necessary maintenance. This is probably what the inspector sees.
Be careful of what you say, you might be wrong. The gas service near an electrical panel is not a NEC issue. It comes from NFPA 54 paragraph 2.7.2. Which states that a gas meter shall be located at least three feet from sources of ignition. It also says that gas meters shall be located in ventilated spaces readily accessible for examination, reading, replacement or necessary maintenance. This is probably what the inspector sees.
Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
Jerryb posted,
Jerryb also posted,
Roger
Jerryb posted,
the ridgid conduit is an explosion proof wiring method so that wouldn't be an issue.
Jerryb also posted,
I wouldn't consider a basement a good example of any of these, so I guess the owner will have to move the N.G. service. This could be broken to him with the old saying; "I've got good and bad news"
Roger
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I don't think the conduit is a source of ignition. I sure hope it isn't.
I would be concerned with the gas meter location.
I would install a gas leak alarm, if I were a drinking man, and liked the bar. Getting high and loaded may take on a new meaning.
I don't think the conduit is a source of ignition. I sure hope it isn't.
I would be concerned with the gas meter location.
I would install a gas leak alarm, if I were a drinking man, and liked the bar. Getting high and loaded may take on a new meaning.
bonding jumper
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Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
The conduit isn't a source of ignition, It would be a different story if the 400A panel was within 3' because that would be considered a source of ignition, because of the spark that is created when a breaker is tripped or reset. The room should be adequately ventilated, but this should have been inspected by either the department of buildings or the gas service company and would have been brought up if it wasn't the case. My DOJ or fire department always requires a gas meter in the gas meter room.
Edit: ment to say gas detector in the gas meter room. Wow that sounded really bad.
[ July 18, 2003, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: bonding jumper ]
The conduit isn't a source of ignition, It would be a different story if the 400A panel was within 3' because that would be considered a source of ignition, because of the spark that is created when a breaker is tripped or reset. The room should be adequately ventilated, but this should have been inspected by either the department of buildings or the gas service company and would have been brought up if it wasn't the case. My DOJ or fire department always requires a gas meter in the gas meter room.
Edit: ment to say gas detector in the gas meter room. Wow that sounded really bad.
[ July 18, 2003, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: bonding jumper ]
renosteinke
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Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
As a former VP might say, the "controlling legal authority" is the electric utility. Get, from them, a copy of their requirements for a service installation; they typically will specify such clearances.
As a former VP might say, the "controlling legal authority" is the electric utility. Get, from them, a copy of their requirements for a service installation; they typically will specify such clearances.
charlie
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Re: Conduit in close proximity to N.G. service meter
I don't understand your statement. The electric utility has control of their meter and service conductors . . . period.
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