Confused on Annec C table C.8A

coty_brown

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I have the following question from the sample test:

If we have a trade size 2 rigid metal conduit and we want
to install three THHN compact conductors, what is the largest
compact conductor permitted to be installed?

Table C.8A says 300 kcmil

Thanks
Coty

iwire

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I think you are looking at THHW/THW not THHN

Dennis Alwon

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I think there are errors in the compact tables.

Use Table 5 in Chapter 9

Compact 350kcm conductor with THHn has a cir mil of .4656
1.3968 X 3 = 1.3968 cm

Table 4 for RMC shows 2" at 1.363 for over 2 conductors

If we look at art 220.5 (B) we are allowed to drop the anything below .5 so the 1.3968 or 1.4 becomes 1 which is less than the cm for 2" RMC with over 2 conductors-- 1.363

coty_brown

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still can not find

still can not find

I am on page 70-820 looking at THHN, trade size 2, following it down to the number 3, and it crosses with 300 kcmil.

iwire

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I am on page 70-820 looking at THHN, trade size 2, following it down to the number 3, and it crosses with 300 kcmil.
What year?

My 2011 pdf matches the answer key.

Dennis Alwon

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I am on page 70-820 looking at THHN, trade size 2, following it down to the number 3, and it crosses with 300 kcmil.

That page is not compact conductors-- 2014 I assume-- page 70-822 is for compact conductors

Dennis Alwon

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Actually the 2014 is correct also-- Table C.8(A) has 3 thhn compact 350 kcm conductors in 2" RMC

don_resqcapt19

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If we look at art 220.5 (B) we are allowed to drop the anything below .5 so the 1.3968 or 1.4 becomes 1 which is less than the cm for 2" RMC with over 2 conductors-- 1.363
That rule does not apply to wire fill calculations. It is in Article 220 and only applies within the scope of Article 220.
220.1 Scope. This article provides requirements for calculating branch circuit, feeder, and service loads. Part I provides for general
requirements for calculation methods. Part II provides calculation methods for branch-circuit loads. Parts III and IV provide calculation methods for feeders and services. Part V provides calculation methods for farms. ...
220.5(B) Fractions of an Ampere. Calculations shall be permitted to be rounded to the nearest whole ampere, with decimal fractions smaller than 0.5 dropped.

Dennis Alwon

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That rule does not apply to wire fill calculations. It is in Article 220 and only applies within the scope of Article 220.

You are correct Don and I should know I did those Tables in Annex C-- Notes to the table #7 says we can drop down when the results are smaller than .8 not .5

don_resqcapt19

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You are correct Don and I should know I did those Tables in Annex C-- Notes to the table #7 says we can drop down when the results are smaller than .8 not .5
Actually it says you can "round up" where the fraction is .8 or larger. For example if the calculation says 4.8 conductors, Note 7 would permit you to install 5 conductors.

Dennis Alwon

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Yes, I have no idea what I am doing right now-- cooking, eating and typing without thinking. So we have 1.363/.4656 and we have 2.9 conductors which means we can use 3--- thanks for keeping me straight