Connect appliances from Europe in the US

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I have a customer from Europe who wants to connect 250v grill he bought there
I know that to get 220v I can connect the neutral of the grill and hot wire between 2 phases. 220 volts would be sufficient to run the grill
(I believe the 60Hz vs. 50Hz would not have any effect on the operation of the grill)
Is that safe? (Of course get the proper plug to be different from other plugs in the house)
In European countries all the hose is on GFCI
Should I use GFCI for this grill?
Does the NEC say something about this?
Thank You
Meir

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stickboy1375 said:
Anyone know why they put a min. wattage on 240v cord and plug equipment?
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Not a clue, voltage to ground is still only 120 so I don't see much added safety. I think 20 amp 208 or 240 receptacles in the kitchens would be a good thing assuming the appliance makers took advantage of this.

A 3800 watt grill or convection oven would be a good thing. :cool:
 
Suppose the load was a compressor load, say for an ultra low freezer (real situation) that is rated 230 volts, 50 hz 1phase and it is connected to a 208, 1 phase 60 hz supply. Would this be a problem. Someone asked me this the other day and I didn't know. He said the units were running just fine so far.... What will happen???

He thinks the fact that it is rated 230 volts makes up for the the fact that it is running on 60 hz. Is he nuts???:grin:
 
gilamor said:
I have a customer from Europe who wants to connect 250v grill he bought there
I know that to get 220v I can connect the neutral of the grill and hot wire between 2 phases. 220 volts would be sufficient to run the grill
(I believe the 60Hz vs. 50Hz would not have any effect on the operation of the grill)
Is that safe? (Of course get the proper plug to be different from other plugs in the house)
In European countries all the hose is on GFCI
Should I use GFCI for this grill?
Does the NEC say something about this?
Thank You
Meir

Contact Info removed, use private messages to exchange info.
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generally speaking, European style appliances are designed to operate on 210-250v. Many of them are also designed to work on 50/60hz. This is because they have not actually totally standardized throughout the EU.

Also, the RCID circuits/outlets are a safety feature required by the local codes. France requires them on almost all circuits, the UK requires them on far fewer circuits. Installing one here would depend on your local codes and availability of a suitable product.

I don't know the NEC implications, but it is likely the grill will work just fine. The coffee maker we brought back from Hong Kong did great, even though it had a pump and electronics.

Just one man's opinion....
 
iwire said:
I think 20 amp 208 or 240 receptacles in the kitchens would be a good thing assuming the appliance makers took advantage of this.

A 3800 watt grill or convection oven would be a good thing. :cool:
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Hell, you could even have a four slice toaster that can actually make the toast in less than a week or so :)

Back On Topic, I'm with Marc; just fit a suitable receptacle, and thats it. What the homeowner chooses to use it for, well...
 
mpd said:
iwire

maybe where you are
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We are talking about a cord and plug connected grill.

The NEC does not require it be listed.

What code or standard in your area requires household appliances to be listed?
 
iwire

our administrative code requires it to be listed for for use in the US, if he was getting a permit for that grill, I would require the grill to be on site for final inspection
 
instering discussion with the European appalinces to work in USA system however i do have 3 KW kettle to heat up the water for my coffee i brought that back from France all i did change the cord and it work with 6-15R without any issue with it.

pbeasley did hit pretty much right on the spot on european system.

Merci, Marc
 
mpd said:
iwire

our administrative code requires it to be listed for for use in the US, if he was getting a permit for that grill, I would require the grill to be on site for final inspection
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Are you serious? Around here you need a CO before you can move in, so there would be NO cord and plug appliances at the final inspection.
 
mpd said:
iwire

our administrative code requires it to be listed for for use in the US, if he was getting a permit for that grill, I would require the grill to be on site for final inspection
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So you inspect clock radios, cell phone chargers, and computers once someone moves in?
 
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