connecting 2- 2pole Br style breakers together.

[AC\DC]

Any one know were if possible I can get a handle tie that can connect 2-2pole br bolt on breakers together. I forgot to order a main breaker in it and it's going to cost 2k each and I am hoping to find a handle tie to turn it into a 4 pole. so I can keep under my 6 disconnect rule.

HELP

 

[AC\DC]

I found one for 4 single pole but not 2-2poles

 

[ppsh]

https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/skuPage.QL4HT.html

 

[AC\DC]

ya I called eaton, the lady said well its for 4 single pole breakers not 2- 2pole. I was like EEEE okay.
plat says same thing in there description ql4ht
for that price I may just say screw it and try it to save 4k
thank you

 

[curt swartz]

What article are you trying to comply with? I'm not looking at any of the 6 disconnect articles now but believe they state 6 breakers. A 2 or 3 pole breaker would be a single breaker. You can install field handle ties but I think its limited to single pole breakers.

 

[AC\DC]

Crap your right, guess ill see what AHJ thinks

 

[AC\DC]

What article are you trying to comply with? I'm not looking at any of the 6 disconnect articles now but believe they state 6 breakers. A 2 or 3 pole breaker would be a single breaker. You can install field handle ties but I think its limited to single pole breakers.

I would argue that one. it's supposed to be for emergency issue, so you can turn them off quick. If 6 single vs 6 large handle tied breakers I would say the larger are easier to turn off since you have more coverage, but hey what do I know, not much since I forgot to order the main breaker. I wonder. how it passed the first time. I just got an identical replacement panel.

When did the 6 breaker rule come into effect. maybe I can get grandfathered in

 

[LarryFine]

When did the 6 breaker rule come into effect. maybe I can get grandfathered in

It's been ages. Back when I was a helper, they used the "six throws of the hand" terminology.

That was back when we had 110/220v and a 190v high-leg. "Before they changed the water."

I would think that a 4p handle tie would fit two 2p breakers with their handle-ties removed.

Keep in mind that one 2p breaker tripping could turn off the other one.

 

[AC\DC]

It's been ages. Back when I was a helper, they used the "six throws of the hand" terminology.

That was back when we had 110/220v and a 190v high-leg. "Before they changed the water."

I would think that a 4p handle tie would fit two 2p breakers with their handle-ties removed.

Keep in mind that one 2p breaker tripping could turn off the other one.

ya I get the tripping of the breakers. this was installed in the 90s so it should of been correct at start. the main breakers about 100 feet from site of the load center but that really does not matter lol.
I got a call to him. hopefully those handle ties fit.

 

[LarryFine]

I found one for 4 single pole but not 2-2poles

I got a call to him. hopefully those handle ties fit.

If they're the same brand, they should fit as well as factory-installed handle-ties.

Multi-pole breakers are conjoined 1p units plus the internal common-trip pieces.

 

[curt swartz]

How many amps is the feeder? In the OP you mentioned Bolt-on breakers then you mentioned load center. Is this a loadcenter or panelboard? I know NEC wise they are the same but very different construction. I have never seen a Bolt-on loadcenter other than Bulldog.

 

[AC\DC]

I am sorry it’s an panelboard. 2 panels 400 amp feeder to each.
If I can’t use those handle ties the. I am forced to use 2 400 amp fused disconnect since they will have to make a new cabinet to accommodate the main breaker. Either way this may be the first job I lose money on

 

[ptonsparky]

....Either way this may be the first job I lose money on

Go Big or Go Home.




Is this your first or second job?

 

[AC\DC]

Go Big or Go Home.




Is this your first or second job?

Hahah.

 

[tortuga]

Presumably your dealing with two 400A outdoor feeders take a close look at 225.31(B) Exception 1.
In the past I have had used it, had to have a engraved phenolic plastic sign made showing disconnect location.

 

[AC\DC]

Presumably your dealing with two 400A outdoor feeders take a close look at 225.31(B) Exception 1.
In the past I have had used it, had to have a engraved phenolic plastic sign made showing disconnect location.

Okay it’s an rv park.
I guess it’s single management- check

Documents I can make- check

Qualified individuals eeee —- so if I make a map and laminate it and then inform the staff of locations- does that now make them qualified.

I did see that but never thought of applying it.
Did inspector argue or was fine with it off the bat. I got a call into him all throw that at him.

Thank you

 

[AC\DC]

Typed up and he called. Thank you very very very much.
He said a engraved map showing that will work perfectly.

 

[AC\DC]

So are the exception pretty much an o $&@t button.