Copper Theft and Electrocutions

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ATSman

ATSman

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It has been awhile since I have heard or read about a major copper theft. I found this article in my Safety Training archives.
There seems to be a lot of talk about arc flash but not a lot about electrocutions and what high energy power can do.
I will have to caution readers it is pretty graphic and not for the faint of heart. I think it is important and I am posting it since it may save somebody's life.
 

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xformer

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ATSman said:
It has been awhile since I have heard or read about a major copper theft. I found this article in my Safety Training archives.
There seems to be a lot of talk about arc flash but not a lot about electrocutions and what high energy power can do.
I will have to caution readers it is pretty graphic and not for the faint of heart. I think it is important and I am posting it since it may save somebody's life.
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:cry:
 
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Hv&Lv

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To me it looks like he was trying to steal the ground copper off the transformer.
That and regulators will get you killed quick.

Maybe he should have learned to read the signs posted everywhere in a substation.
Either that or got a real job and quit stealing copper.

Too late now.

We found one about like that about 20 years ago.
Believe it or not, the family sued us!
They lost, but still. The absurdity…
 
Fred B

Fred B

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We've had some that didn't end in death but just a big surprise. A string of copper theft to the west of me. Well at least some of it was copper. Had several new service installation that when POCO went to connect they call the inspection office why was the inspector passing service installation without ground rods and conductors. Fortunately there was pictures showing the original installation. Someone was going thru the effort to pull up the "copper" ground rods and cut the cable and steal it all. Imagine the thief's surprise whe he was told that big copper rod was not copper but just clad.
 
gadfly56

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ATSman said:
It has been awhile since I have heard or read about a major copper theft. I found this article in my Safety Training archives.
There seems to be a lot of talk about arc flash but not a lot about electrocutions and what high energy power can do.
I will have to caution readers it is pretty graphic and not for the faint of heart. I think it is important and I am posting it since it may save somebody's life.
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You were right, that's gruesome. Our HR girl would probably freak if we tried to use that in training.
 
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tthh

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I remember back to shop class in high school seeing some safety videos. One video in particular, it must have been put out by Caterpillar or similar, and it showed people working on heavy earth moving equipment and how you needed to block things before you work on them. It showed proper blocking and then someone who didn't and the hydraulic line leaking and you didn't see all the gruesome details, but you got the idea. I recall seeing another with someone locking out an electrical panel and then someone not locking it out and then you see the alternative scene with someone flipping a breaker back on while someone's working on the circuit.
 
4x4dually

4x4dually

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Not moved one bit.....if that happened on every theft.....there wouldn't be any more theft. Call me callous.
 
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hillbilly1

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In Georgia, there was a crew going around pulling out services with an all wheel drive dually. The stores had been closed, but services were still live. They would open the transformer, cut it off at the stabs, pull it out without even disconnecting it from the gear. Sometimes it came loose with out damaging the gear, but most of the time, not so lucky. They hit the same store three times in a two year period. That city had such a problem with theft, the local contractors would pull the service in, get it inspected, and poco connected in the same day. I’ve even seen them go into an open transformer cage, cut loose and pull out the closed distribution center services! Either they knew what they were doing, or just lucky!
 
kwired

kwired

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hillbilly1 said:
In Georgia, there was a crew going around pulling out services with an all wheel drive dually. The stores had been closed, but services were still live. They would open the transformer, cut it off at the stabs, pull it out without even disconnecting it from the gear. Sometimes it came loose with out damaging the gear, but most of the time, not so lucky. They hit the same store three times in a two year period. That city had such a problem with theft, the local contractors would pull the service in, get it inspected, and poco connected in the same day. I’ve even seen them go into an open transformer cage, cut loose and pull out the closed distribution center services! Either they knew what they were doing, or just lucky!
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With some internet training your luck maybe will be a little higher.
 
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wwhitney

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Hv&Lv said:
Yeah, I saw that. That was stupid also.
I guess now we can sue GM because a driver got behind the wheel and ran us over…
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No, the analogy would be suing GM if their marketing encourages you to get behind the wheel and run you over. That was the basis of Remington's legal liability.

Cheers, Wayne
 
gadfly56

gadfly56

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wwhitney said:
No, the analogy would be suing GM if their marketing encourages you to get behind the wheel and run you over. That was the basis of Remington's legal liability.

Cheers, Wayne
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I'm pretty sure that nothing in Remington's marketing material encouraged anyone to go hunting other humans.
 
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