cord reels and GCFI - just the outlet or also protect the reel?

malachi constant

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I am not aware of a code that requires cord reels to be GFCI protected, unless they are specified in certain areas (garages, where they could extend to sinks, etc). In such areas I have been specifying reels with integral GFCI protection - as opposed to being protected by GFCI breakers. I just learned that the integral protection is AHEAD OF the cord reel, and the outlet that drops down at the end of the cord is standard type. So if GFCI trips they have to get on a ladder or lift - which is not legal. To solve this in the immediate term I am eliminating the GFCI from the cord reel and specifying a GFCI breaker. But it begs the question, does the cord and reel itself have to be connected by GFCI, or just the outlet? I assumed the outlet, but there is merit to the idea that a cord could get nicked or box become separated.
 

don_resqcapt19

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Based on the requirement in UL 355 that cord reel GFCIs have open neutral protection, I don't think you can use a circuit breaker. As far as I know, there are no GFCI circuit breakers that have open neutral protection.
Note that my reading of UL 355 shows that if the cord reel has slip rings, the open neutral GFCI protection is required to be at the receptacle end of the cord reel.
 
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malachi constant

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So Larry says the cord reel is the outlet, and therefore the cord reel needs protected.
Don says cord reels probably cannot be protected via GFCI breakers because of the open neutral protection requirement in UL 355.
How then would one protect a cord reel, especially one mounted 25' up on structure?
 

LarryFine

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My apologies for not being familiar with UL 355.

Wouldn't the outlet feeding the reel require protection, and the reel not be part of the permanent wiring?
 

hillbilly1

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It’s another one of those unintended consequences of a rule by a pencil pusher. You cannot remove the factory protection from the reel because it will violate the listing. The manufacturer should have put the protection at the cord end, and require a redundant receptacle or circuit protection to protect the cord and reel itself.
 

jap

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It would be my thought that if a cord reel had GFI protection whether integral or at its receptacle outlet on the end of the cord it could be hardwired to a standard breaker.

However,

If it was a standard cord reel with no GFI protection it would need to be protected by a GFI circuit where the reset means were readily accessible.

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garbo

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If possible could you install a feed thru GFCI device one wall maybe 4 to 6'off the floor to make it easy to reset.
 

don_resqcapt19

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My apologies for not being familiar with UL 355.

Wouldn't the outlet feeding the reel require protection, and the reel not be part of the permanent wiring?
The issue is an open neutral that is within the cord reel assembly, and they only way to provide that protection is a GFCI device with open neutral protection on the load end of the cord reel's cord.
The outlet supplying the cord reel may or may not require GFCI protection depending on location.
 

Joethemechanic

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The issue is an open neutral that is within the cord reel assembly, and they only way to provide that protection is a GFCI device with open neutral protection on the load end of the cord reel's cord.
The outlet supplying the cord reel may or may not require GFCI protection depending on location.
Couldn't the open neutral protection be anywhere beyond the slip rings?
 

Joethemechanic

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It could be, but would have to be part of the listed cord reel.
Starting to sound like cord reels are more trouble than they are worth. Maybe we should be going to some kind of accumulator that would allow a solid cord all the way

Maybe something akin to a block & tackle

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retirede

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Starting to sound like cord reels are more trouble than they are worth. Maybe we should be going to some kind of accumulator that would allow a solid cord all the way

Maybe something akin to a block & tackle

Just use a regular extension cord and put it away when you’re done with it?
 

Joethemechanic

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Just use a regular extension cord and put it away when you’re done with it?
That's what I do with extension cords, air hoses and welding cables, torch hoses etc.

But I think the younger generation loves reels. They don't seem to know how to wind stuff by hand. most of them don't get the twist factor
 

Joethemechanic

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I store cords by folding them in half repeatedly



Most oof mine are on hooks on the wall near receptacles. I've done something like a figure 8 to make them play out smoothly. But I never do it because it requires thinking and winding at the same time
 

mdvokes

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Denver, Colorado
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Regional Specification Manager
As a cord reel manufacturer Sales Engineer, I have presented this subject matter and related NEC codes for four years to over 100 engineering firms and two dozen electrical contractors. I have presented this material at the International Electrical Inspector Association chapter meetings.
My efforts are shedding light with Professional Engineers to the point they are changing their specifications and drawing details.

For the below NEC code to apply to a cord reel, you must first agree that a cord reel delivers temporary and portable power. A cord reel is nothing more than a glorified extension cord.

2017 NFPA 70 (NEC) Article 590.6(A)(1)
All 125-volt, single-phase, 15-, 20-, and 30-ampere receptacle outlets that are not a part of the permanent wiring of the building or structure and that are in use by personnel shall have ground-fault circuit interrupter protection for personnel. In addition to this requirement, listed cord sets…identified for portable use shall be permitted.

I called AHJ's in three states (AZ, CO, UT) and they all confirmed a cord is NOT permanent because it comes from the factory with a cord and plug connector like a refrigerator. They consider a cord reel an appliance and therefore not permanent. Therefore, GFCI protection is required.

Now, the question becomes what type of Class A GFCI is applicable for this application? The absolutely, hands-down, best solution is the inline GFCI module with open neutral protection. A GFCI breaker or GFCI wall receptacle does not have the internal electronic circuits to offer open neutral protection. However, they are better than no GFCI anywhere on the branch circuit of a cord reel.

In short, open neutral GFCI protection trips when the neutral is nicked or severed. Without it, the neutral wire will remain energized and the potential for a shock hazard (or worse) is very real. Think about the application, the cord is laying on the floor, the SO cord outer jacket gets cut nicking the neutral. No one knows until they touch it by accident.

Hubbell Cord Reel with Inline Open Neutral GFCI Protection

Can you get around this code? Absolutely, just have the engineering specify a cord reel with flying leads on the end of the cord and hard wire it to the 4 square box branch circuit. It is then a permanent installation. However, cord reels are retractable which means the springs will eventually break and need serviced. By hardwiring, you just created additional and unnecessary challenges for facilities maintenance.

Always consider that NEC is minimum requirement. And, always consider the application and what type of people will be using the cord reel. For k-12 schools, STEM schools, CTE schools, higher education applications, the risk cord reels pose to these children is very real. Are your children using cord reels in school?
 

mdvokes

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The issue is an open neutral that is within the cord reel assembly, and they only way to provide that protection is a GFCI device with open neutral protection on the load end of the cord reel's cord.
The outlet supplying the cord reel may or may not require GFCI protection depending on location.
The inline open neutral GFCI protects both upstream and downstream from where it is installed. Since it is typically installed 12 inches away from the portable outlet box, it will trip if the conductors are compromised from the portable outlet box all the way to the 4 square box up in the ceiling where your branch circuit line (supply) voltage connects.
 
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