Counter top outlets
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russ
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- Burbank IL
Re: Counter top outlets
Yes 210.52(B)
Yes 210.52(B)
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: Counter top outlets
But not recommended (My view) as with the many appliances we have today it don't take much to overload a 20 amp circuit. And the last thing a home owner want to have is breakers tripping. Many times I'll have 3 or 4 counter circuits as I don't want to have to explain to a home owner that I didn't run enough circuits so while he's cooking breakfast making toast and making coffee the breaker trips. this would be embarrassing
But not recommended (My view) as with the many appliances we have today it don't take much to overload a 20 amp circuit. And the last thing a home owner want to have is breakers tripping. Many times I'll have 3 or 4 counter circuits as I don't want to have to explain to a home owner that I didn't run enough circuits so while he's cooking breakfast making toast and making coffee the breaker trips. this would be embarrassing
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Re: Counter top outlets
Sorry, I had to ask.
Yes but where the extra ones 15 or 20 amp?
Sorry, I had to ask.
electricmanscott
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Re: Counter top outlets
Troublemaker. We know the correct answer! :roll:
Troublemaker. We know the correct answer! :roll:
hurk27
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Re: Counter top outlets
Your funny Bob your funny. Just wait I'll get you.
Your funny Bob your funny. Just wait I'll get you.
russellroberts
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Re: Counter top outlets
Bob's definitely an agitator!
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Bob's definitely an agitator!
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Re: Counter top outlets
Another consideration of running the refrigerator downstream of the SABC is that it might put the refrigerator on the GFCI protection. One school of thought is that the refer should never be GFCI protected. Which leads to another GFCI scenario where the refer is the first load on the GFCI receptacle and the reset button is innaccessible behind the refer.
From an NEC point of view it's all owners option. From a design point of view go with the other answers. Dedicate the refer circuit and/or keep it off the GFCI protection.
That's the nickel tour.
Another consideration of running the refrigerator downstream of the SABC is that it might put the refrigerator on the GFCI protection. One school of thought is that the refer should never be GFCI protected. Which leads to another GFCI scenario where the refer is the first load on the GFCI receptacle and the reset button is innaccessible behind the refer.
From an NEC point of view it's all owners option. From a design point of view go with the other answers. Dedicate the refer circuit and/or keep it off the GFCI protection.
That's the nickel tour.
Re: Counter top outlets
If you want to put the fridge on the small appliance circuit thats ok, the way I would do it, run the 20amp home run to the plug behind the fridge, jumper over to the counter top plug, which will have a gfci, any other plugs on the counter will be protected by the gfci, just remmember the two small appliance circuit rule, but if you have a SubZero fridge, yes, go with a dedicated circuit to it.
[ October 29, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: jro ]
If you want to put the fridge on the small appliance circuit thats ok, the way I would do it, run the 20amp home run to the plug behind the fridge, jumper over to the counter top plug, which will have a gfci, any other plugs on the counter will be protected by the gfci, just remmember the two small appliance circuit rule, but if you have a SubZero fridge, yes, go with a dedicated circuit to it.
[ October 29, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: jro ]
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: Counter top outlets
I simple rundown of circuits I run in a kitchen:
1. 20 Amp Refrigerator & Range Maybe Range hood load=approximately 13 amps
2. 20 Amp GFCI First dedicated space (lets say between the range and the sink
3. 20 Amp GFCI second dedicated space (between the sink and refrigerator)
4. 20 amp GFCI third dedicated space (counter on opposite wall counter and maybe the island
5. 20 amp dishwasher & disposal load approximately 14 amps (as messured)I know some cringe on this combo but I have checked the current pull in drying cycle and I have never seen it higher than 14 amps with both running.
6. 20 amp Micromate/ micro shelf
7. 20 amp compactor/ ice maker/ under cabinet freezer
and any more counter space that I would consider large enough to cause nauseant tripping.
yes this would seem like an over kill to some but like I said before I don't like hearing complaints for my customers as most customers are buying new homes to get away from problems like this. that they might of experienced in and older home and don't think they should be going through this in a new home.
[ October 30, 2003, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
I simple rundown of circuits I run in a kitchen:
1. 20 Amp Refrigerator & Range Maybe Range hood load=approximately 13 amps
2. 20 Amp GFCI First dedicated space (lets say between the range and the sink
3. 20 Amp GFCI second dedicated space (between the sink and refrigerator)
4. 20 amp GFCI third dedicated space (counter on opposite wall counter and maybe the island
5. 20 amp dishwasher & disposal load approximately 14 amps (as messured)I know some cringe on this combo but I have checked the current pull in drying cycle and I have never seen it higher than 14 amps with both running.
6. 20 amp Micromate/ micro shelf
7. 20 amp compactor/ ice maker/ under cabinet freezer
and any more counter space that I would consider large enough to cause nauseant tripping.
yes this would seem like an over kill to some but like I said before I don't like hearing complaints for my customers as most customers are buying new homes to get away from problems like this. that they might of experienced in and older home and don't think they should be going through this in a new home.
[ October 30, 2003, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
Re: Counter top outlets
I think you mean if they are going to serve the countertop surface. Minimum or not there is no option here. Counter use 20 amp. Sorry I can't let it go.
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