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Minuteman

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Working at an industrial shop. They have several bays with 10 ton cranes. Each has 900' of crane rail all feed from 480 volt, 60 amp bus switches down to ground level unfused disconnects at the center isle. (Middle of each rail.) Some time in the past, half of bay 5 (east side) was upgraded to 20 ton by adding extra support columns.

Comes now the need for 30 ton. So, the crane company comes in and starts to "beef up" the columns some more, and we got the task of relocating whatever bus switches and raceways are in the way of the columns. Sweet gig.

The Foreman for the out-of-state crane company insists the crane rail ought to have a secondary 60 amp feed added at the far east end, due to his fear of voltage drop. The 2 new 30 ton cranes have a FLC of 34 amps, as well as the 20, 10 and 5 ton cranes already on the same rail. I told them that I could not parallel the power supplied to rail. Why not increase the supply to the rail to 100 amp?

The actual attachment to the rail has pig tales of #6 TW under a plastic cover, that is connected to #6 THHN all the way to the bus duct. The crane tech that I spoke with Friday assured me that the #6 TW is just lugged and bolted to the rail connectors and that we could change it to #3 (I suggest #2 if they are worried about voltage drop.)

One concern that I have, is that this traveling crane company may actually convince some shops to "double feed" the rail (as he calls it). OCP in parallel can't be a good thing, right?
 

ceb58

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Raeford, NC
Before up sizing the OCP you need to find out what the amp rating of the track is.

The actual attachment to the rail has pig tales of #6 TW under a plastic cover, that is connected to #6 THHN all the way to the bus duct.

The wire is landed to inserts that have lugs built on to them usually installed in the end of the track.

One concern that I have, is that this traveling crane company may actually convince some shops to "double feed" the rail (as he calls it). OCP in parallel can't be a good thing, right?

I would not be concerned with what others may or may not do. As long as you do what is correct and code compliant. Kinda like people listening to home inspectors telling them what is wrong with compliant installs and why it should be changed.
 

jeremysterling

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Austin, TX
I got the following from ductobar website. You can reduce voltage drop by feeding at the center of the run. The crane installer should be upsizing his rails if he is the one with concerns. I've worked on a lot of cranes that used open conductor rails (i.e. 2" steel angle) but now Duct-O-Bar is one of the only options due to improved safety.

http://www.ductowire.com/PDF/FE-01.pdf

According to CMAA, the voltage drop to the unit motors
shall not be more than 3% from the power taps to the load
at the farthest point on the conductor run. To determine
the voltage drop use the appropriate formula in the
following table.
 

Minuteman

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Before up sizing the OCP you need to find out what the amp rating of the track is.

The tech said that that the track was rated 100 amps, stamped on it near the lugs



The wire is landed to inserts that have lugs built on to them usually installed in the end of the track.

Middle of the track, thus the max length would be 450'.



I would not be concerned with what others may or may not do. As long as you do what is correct and code compliant. Kinda like people listening to home inspectors telling them what is wrong with compliant installs and why it should be changed.
I know, it's just that this guy acted like it was not an original thought. Like he had others do it before.
 

ceb58

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I
know, it's just that this guy acted like it was not an original thought. Like he had others do it before.

I would think he has BS'ed others into violating 610.31 3. Since it is fed from the middle I would up size the wire and OCP and be done with it.
 
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