Cree LED trims at "The Big Orange" Code compliant ?????

[acrwc10]

Home Depot has been selling a 6" LED trim for installation in other manufacturers housings. They are a nice trim for the price and give good light, but are they listed for use in others housings? I went to there web sight and the installation instructions say to go their web sight for a list of "compatible housings" (the web sight I was already on to get the installation instructions) On the web sight I could not find anything about compatible housings.
The trim is a "CR-6" and the "CR6-GU24"
Has anyone else used these and had an issue with "listing"

 

[ptonsparky]

We installed some of these for a customer a couple years ago. I did manage to find a list of cans on their site. I believe we used Halo IC. There were quite a few listed. We had no problems with instal and no callbacks. We sold the cans to the customer, he bought the LEDs.

 

[cowboyjwc]

I just had this come up. I'm not having so much of a listing problem, but I'm not sure that they are CA compliant.

 

[acrwc10]

I just had this come up. I'm not having so much of a listing problem, but I'm not sure that they are CA compliant.

That is exactly what I am trying to get documentation on. I spoke with Cree today and they are going to get back to me. Two issues I see are, can you use a Cree trim in a Halo or others housing, and in their installation instructions they show cutting off the medium base socket then tapping on a "GU-24" style socket by using a provided "insulation displacement connector". Then putting in a "Original Luminaire Modification Marking" label inside the housing.
Great, there is a "Label" but I need some UL or other listing to show it is an exceptible match for each brand.

For those who don't know California has an "Energy code", so we can't just use the screw shell socket for retrofit trims, in many installations. And before you go getting on the "oh California is crazy" line of commenting, it won't be long before these codes come to a jurisdiction near you. The energy code has allowed the population in California to grow but not the energy consumption.

 

[cowboyjwc]

That is exactly what I am trying to get documentation on. I spoke with Cree today and they are going to get back to me. Two issues I see are, can you use a Cree trim in a Halo or others housing, and in their installation instructions they show cutting off the medium base socket then tapping on a "GU-24" style socket by using a provided "insulation displacement connector". Then putting in a "Original Luminaire Modification Marking" label inside the housing.
Great, there is a "Label" but I need some UL or other listing to show it is an exceptible match for each brand.

For those who don't know California has an "Energy code", so we can't just use the screw shell socket for retrofit trims, in many installations. And before you go getting on the "oh California is crazy" line of commenting, it won't be long before these codes come to a jurisdiction near you. The energy code has allowed the population in California to grow but not the energy consumption.

Well let me know what you find out. I just got off the phone with the energy commission and they say that as they are, they do not comply. Anything that you can use is listed on thier approved appliance list.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Just looked at the paper work for these fixtures and it states that you have to use a GU-24 base for new construction projects in CA.

PM me you're email address and I will send you a copy of the lit I got.

 

[mjf]

That is exactly what I am trying to get documentation on. I spoke with Cree today and they are going to get back to me. Two issues I see are, can you use a Cree trim in a Halo or others housing, and in their installation instructions they show cutting off the medium base socket then tapping on a "GU-24" style socket by using a provided "insulation displacement connector". Then putting in a "Original Luminaire Modification Marking" label inside the housing.
Great, there is a "Label" but I need some UL or other listing to show it is an exceptible match for each brand.

For those who don't know California has an "Energy code", so we can't just use the screw shell socket for retrofit trims, in many installations. And before you go getting on the "oh California is crazy" line of commenting, it won't be long before these codes come to a jurisdiction near you. The energy code has allowed the population in California to grow but not the energy consumption.

That is great about the power consumption, but wouldn't it be better for you Californians if they could also regulate the population from growing??

 

[cowboyjwc]

That is great about the power consumption, but wouldn't it be better for you Californians if they could also regulate the population from growing??

We keep trying, but every dang year, when the rest of the country is snow bound, no matter what the weather has been here up till then, Jan 1, when they telecast the Tournament of Rose parade, it'll be 75 degrees and the sun will be shining.

 

[acrwc10]

Well let me know what you find out. I just got off the phone with the energy commission and they say that as they are, they do not comply. Anything that you can use is listed on thier approved appliance list.

I love that they said that to you, I went to their web sight and tried to get to the "approved appliance list" it wasn't avalible and all I could find was a few years old.
Cree got back to me and this is what they said,
On the back of every CR6 is a UL mark stating “LUMINAIRE CONVERSION, RETROFIT. FOR USE ONLY WITH RECESSED LUMINAIRES AS IDENTIFIED IN MANUFACTURER’S INSTRUCTIONS”. Per the installation instructions, copied below, any housing with a can that is 5 ? to 6 ? in diameter and at least 6 ? in tall is suitable for use with the CR6. This should be all that the inspector needs.


I haven't included the installation instructions, but they are basic. It is interesting that they don't need a "brand by brand" listing of the housings that they are going into. The manufacturers make it clear in their labling that you may only use their trims in their housings.

 

[acrwc10]

That is great about the power consumption, but wouldn't it be better for you Californians if they could also regulate the population from growing??

It's because we share the love , that and we can't get anyone to leave.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Well I got a call from the lighting supplier and of course they've installed thousands of these kits.

the one that the state would allow is the one where they cut the socket and then pigtail on the GU-24 base. I called the County of LA's electrical inspector and talked to him yesterday and he said while it might be approved by the state that it voided the UL listing of the can.

 

[acrwc10]

Well I got a call from the lighting supplier and of course they've installed thousands of these kits.

the one that the state would allow is the one where they cut the socket and then pigtail on the GU-24 base. I called the County of LA's electrical inspector and talked to him yesterday and he said while it might be approved by the state that it voided the UL listing of the can.

I did find them on the "Approved Appliance List" they were added 5/19/2010 under the advanced search. They are listed as the "eco-smart" CR6-GU24, and Cree stated that the Home Depot eco smart trim and the Cree CR6 GU24 are the same part.
I am working on the UL listing question, but most building inspectors are not worried about that because, and I quote, "all the fires I have seen started by light fixtures have been because of to high of a wattage lamp being installed and over heating the wires in the ceiling box." and the general train of thought is they create less heat and use less energy so they are acceptable.

 

[cowboyjwc]

I did find them on the "Approved Appliance List" they were added 5/19/2010 under the advanced search. They are listed as the "eco-smart" CR6-GU24, and Cree stated that the Home Depot eco smart trim and the Cree CR6 GU24 are the same part.
I am working on the UL listing question, but most building inspectors are not worried about that because, and I quote, "all the fires I have seen started by light fixtures have been because of to high of a wattage lamp being installed and over heating the wires in the ceiling box." and the general train of thought is they create less heat and use less energy so they are acceptable.

This serpant has a lot of heads. I called Cooper Lighting today and they said that there were retro kits for their H7 cans and so I asked him about cutting the wires to the edison base and removing it and pigtailing on the GU-24 base and that's when he went NO NO NO, we have cans with GU-24 bases in them. The explination he gave me was, that these kits are more just for saving energy for someone who already had cans installed, if you want to meet the CA requirements then you need to install the correct fixtures.

 

[acrwc10]

This serpant has a lot of heads. I called Cooper Lighting today and they said that there were retro kits for their H7 cans and so I asked him about cutting the wires to the edison base and removing it and pigtailing on the GU-24 base and that's when he went NO NO NO, we have cans with GU-24 bases in them. The explination he gave me was, that these kits are more just for saving energy for someone who already had cans installed, if you want to meet the CA requirements then you need to install the correct fixtures.

The ''listed housing for a retro fit GU24 socket'' maybe like the "arc fault receptacle", They talk about them in the code but they don't have one in real life. The Only approved housing I could find was the one made by Cree and they already have a GU24 socket.