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hardworkingstiff

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I'm at the point that I either have to hire some employees or tell some of my customers I can't do their work. Neither scenario appeals to me. I've been a 1-man show for 10 years. I used to run a construction department with 10-men in the field. It burned me out.

Anyone care to comment on their experience with this type of decision?
 
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Can you hire one guy, double your productivity?

I imagine it'd be a lot of paperwork with payroll and all, but as far as managing performance, you'd be there right beside the employee. Not too much to oversee from a day-to-day perspective.

Just an unqualified thought. :)
 
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I don't have an answer, I do have opinions. But I would be interested to hear if hiring one guy would be worth it. Questionable weather or not it would double your productivity. I doubt it. I don't doubt that it would be costly.
Most of the info I hear in the trenches is either stay one man show or go big. By big several crews.

My suggestion which I try to use myself is charge more money and do less work.
This weeds out some of the garbage work and gets you into working for a differnt class of customer. The kind with more green! That is the point is it not?

I used to drive myself crazy trying to answer every call and not being able to say no. That got me nowhere. These days when a message is left that starts out with "I need an estimate to replace a fixture...." or something like that it is deleted before it gets to the end.
There is NO money to be made doing that stuff. Leave it for the guys working on the side :p or just starting out.

All that said I do have the same thoughts as you on expanding vs not. I prefer to work alone. :cool:
 
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Scott,

I feel the same way. My problem is I start a job in a few weeks that is $105,000 electrical and $130,000 fuel piping. The subs that I've used in the past are kind of busy, so I guess I need to hire my own people. That now means work for them every day (as a one man show, I sometimes go a week or so without working).

There are more jobs like this being bid now, but they never come in when they are supposed to. Oh well, I guess these are good problems, much better than "what am I going to do next month?".
 
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For a long time, we worked just myself and my father, and 1-2 apprentices. I liked things that way , but we were at a point that you are at where we either had to drop some customers or add some additional help. This was about 4-5 years ago. Along with not being able to keep up with our current customers needs, I wondered why we should turn down work almost daily. During the next several years, I was able to answer that question many times while going through some less than competent help. After finding some good employees and training some others, it has been worth it.

I was never a one man shop, but it was always productive for me with one apprentice and even a licensed man with me. I'd recommend that you try it, if the type of work you do justifies 2 guys on the job. You will have to add workers comp., but aside from that your overhead will not increase that much.

On the other hand, if you are looking to add a licensed electrician and send him on his own, I wouldn't advise it for many reasons. If that is what you're considering, I'll post my thoughts on it later.
 
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After reading your last post, I'd bring on the help. That is unless you are truly satisfied working by yourself. Then you'll have to accept the fact that you can't do some of the jobs you'd like to do. I have many friends who are happy working by themself, and turn down jobs regularly.
 
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Originally posted by hardworkingstiff:
I'm at the point that I either have to hire some employees or tell some of my customers I can't do their work. Neither scenario appeals to me.
I reached that point a while ago, and decided to stay solo. I do what I do because it turns me on, I don't want to lose that enjoyment by having the sorts of hassles having employees can make you have.

I just tell customers I can do their work, but it may take a little while for me to get to it. They're usually OK with that, as I mentioned in another thread earlier.

If it's a job they need done soon and I'm too busy to do it, I refer them to a bigger, reputable shop. If it's a repeat customer with a real crisis, I'll just take care of it then and push off tomorrow's job a few more hours. Either way I don't really lose business over it, because that kind of service means a lot to them and they won't forget you.

And, well, if you already have too much work to do, it may not hurt you to lose a little business. You don't want to lose your existing customers, but you might turn down a little new business. There are fish that need catching, and you can only do so much...

Good luck with your decision,

Chris Knight
Syracuse NY
 
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Originally posted by hardworkingstiff:
I'm at the point that I either have to hire some employees or tell some of my customers I can't do their work. Neither scenario appeals to me. I've been a 1-man show for 10 years. I used to run a construction department with 10-men in the field. It burned me out.

Anyone care to comment on their experience with this type of decision?
Is teaming up with another "1-man show" out of the question? Like a merger...
 
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If you went out and bid work that was in excess of 135,000 were you really thinking it could be done alone in the time period offered for the job?. I have been sucessful as a solo for a long number of years, but I also have turned away some bigger projects on purpose so that I could stay that way. And at some point I discovered that staying solo pleased me and to hell with wether or not the customer's liked it. I would try to split/share the project with another solo or small outfit in your area. Offer 50/50 split with all costs, repeat all costs paid off before any distrubutions are taken by either party. That would inlcude your time for bidding and securing the job, and the added risk for your name on the bidding documents. Good Luck. Another idea may be to see about leasing employee's.
 
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I have two qualified electricians full time on my payroll. I still thank my wife for pushing me to hire.


The only words of advice is to get people who are qualified and pay them well, you will be so happy you did. Both my guys get $25 an hour their work and reliability is well worth every penny.

Most of my time is meeting with builders, doing estimates, and running service calls. Trust is number one.

Good luck, Steve
 
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Thank you all that replied (the lawn thing confused me though). A lot of great comments.

Thanks again from the depths of my soul.

BTW, I've gotten away with these large bids by using some friend/contractor buddies from out of town. It's getting dangerous now because everyone seems to be so busy. Over 50% of the dollar amount is material and out of town expenses.
 
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In today's economy I would be very hesitant to take on new employees. With additional employees your expenses increase a great deal, while productivity increases very little. Two men cannot do double the work of one man, yet the expense more than doubles. Because the economy is good, at least in this area, most good workers are already working, so you will probably need to steal an employee from one of your competitors, unless you can afford to take a young inexperienced worker and train them. While you don't mind not working for a week as long as at the end of the year you have made a good salary, your hourly employee is going to want to work and get paid for a regular schedule. If you need to work a little late to finish a job so that you don't need to return the next day, that is fine; but your employee is going to expect overtime for those hours. Either stay a small one-man shop or be prepared to go big. The medium sized contractors are getting squeezed out. They are too big to do the little jobs and service work, and not big enough to do the big commercial jobs. Been there, done that, don't want to go back.
I worked for a year with no salary, cleaned out my savings, and my employees never missed a paycheck. In return they spent evenings and weekends doing "side jobs". Hard to be a nice guy when your own employees are your biggest competition.
Just my opinion, for what it is worth.
 
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Im in the same boat. Im trying to figure out how best to add one more man besides myself. (Im currently a one man show) I have got the savings; the van and facilities are possible. I fear the NON productive employee that does the cash service call for several weeks and runs my bussiness into the ground.
DOnt want to be like the contractor that won the lottery and when asked what will he do with the winnings says "contract till its all gone".

Q: Does everyone here think small is not possible? No two van shows?
 
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Had 2 vans for a long time, then 3, then 4, now 5. Any size company can work, providing you have good people working on the right jobs. Good employees is the key. I have a bunch of good ones now, went through my share of not so good ones.
 
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gunning,
at one time i had 23 men working for me --- and i had plenty of work --- and i was making good money! the pressure to keep these 23 men busy, and keep all of my customers happy was not worth the money. after a few years of this i felt i wasn't "in control" of my company, my company was "in control" of me! i decided to reduce my labor until i felt comfortable and of course kept my best men. i got down to a nine man operation and remained that way for maybe ten years. then i made a move to stop working for general contractors -- this was mainly due to the attitude that most gc's had about paying their bills -- it was like a game with them -- many actually hired accountants to figure ways to prolong the method of paying their subcontractors! i had over the years, built a very good owner/customer base by doing specialized electrical services. i dropped the new construction work and reduced down to a three man operation. at first i didn't think this would work out --- but my customers worked with me by allowing time to complete their work. i also reduced my customer base by selective shedding some problem customers. my last ten years were really enjoyable -- everybody was happy -- no pressure. now some guys like that pressure??? i didn't!!
 
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Here the GC's are the same way. It takes 3 jobs for them to forget to pay you. I have heard that some EC's are taking credit /debit card payments after say temporary passes/ ruff passes/ preliminary passes / final. It sounds like a good deal as long as you find a GC that can keep a good credit rating and not use that latex check stock.
 
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