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Hi all,

I am aware that UL is accepted across US as well Canada.

CSA is a Canadian Safety Association also based on NEC and CSA-US marking as per CSA is accepted by US. However, I have seen some electricians and/or store inspector refusing to touch any fixture or allowing an installation if it does not have a "UL" marking on it. I don't want to take the risk and certify under the marking that's accepted in US.

We have a design that is very close to a set up of a Beauty/Hair Salon. We are building a table which will have 4 receptacles for hair dryers and curling irons and 6 receptacles for everything else e.g phone chargers, ipad chargers etc.

Running two separate circuits of 20A each will still not give me the current I need to satisfy full load condition and UL-962 caps out at 2 hardwired inputs.

Does anyone have any idea of which UL-Code applies to Salons? and/or help me understand how they are wired? is it a single line going to large breaker switch of 40/60A or does each plug have its own 20A line going to the breaker panel?

UL-962 is what directly applies to type of work we typically do but to provide the client with what they are looking for I am leaning towards following a UL-Code that applies to beauty Salons but I don't exactly know which one directly applies...

Thank you
 
The inspectors have no right to refuse a third party listing if they are accepted in your area. NC has a list of about 20 third party listing companies that they accept and CSA is one of them. I would be surprised if that area only accepted UL... Contact the state head honcho.
 
There is certainly no reason why by contract parts can be restricted to UL listed items only.

There are two parts to NRTL listings. One is the NRTL testing and the other is what standard it is tested to.

UL does both testing and standards writing as does CSA.

As long as CSA is testing to a US standard (probably written by UL), there should not be an issue with an AHJ accepting it.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
The inspectors have no right to refuse a third party listing if they are accepted in your area. NC has a list of about 20 third party listing companies that they accept and CSA is one of them. I would be surprised if that area only accepted UL... Contact the state head honcho.
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I was also under the impression that CSA is accepted but i have seen push backs from different parts of US where some inspectors have no issues and there are some inspectors who raise a concern on CSA-US Stickers..

So from what i understand NEC Has no restrictions, if we have CSA-US marking they should be accepted as per NEC?
 
petersonra said:
There is certainly no reason why by contract parts can be restricted to UL listed items only.

There are two parts to NRTL listings. One is the NRTL testing and the other is what standard it is tested to.

UL does both testing and standards writing as does CSA.

As long as CSA is testing to a US standard (probably written by UL), there should not be an issue with an AHJ accepting it.
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This is great information! Thank you. I will be discussing that with my team here.

Yes, CSA-US Marking is tested based on NEC and US Standards including UL
 
Technically NRTL is a US FedOSHA term. It has more-or-less become the "Scotch-tape" term for the third-party certifications industry. There are several recognized by FedOSHA. CSA is one of them; however, local jurisdictions may accept or reject any one of them and may add to their own list if they so choose. This is similar to the concept that the NEC is enforced by "local" adoption and may also be amended as seen fit locally.

At the FedOSHA level, CSA is Accepted when they certify to a specific set of Standards. The CSA logo will also be modified to show that it has used one of the Standards on the Approved list.
 
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