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I have 9 circuits from 120/208V three phase panelboard.

Each circuit is 20A, 120V, single phase, all in one conduit. Total of 18 conductors. Counting current carrying conductors would it be 9 or 18 for amapcity derating?

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I have 9 circuits from 120/208V three phase panelboard.

Each circuit is 20A, 120V, single phase, all in one conduit. Total of 18 conductors. Counting current carrying conductors would it be 9 or 18 for amapcity derating?

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I agree with petersonra-- with a 2 wire circuit, neutral and hot, the neutral is a current carrying conductor. If you used 3 full boats (3 hots and a neutral) then the neutrals wouldn't count and you would only have 9 current carrying conductor's.

I realize that a full boat is not always desirable but I thought I would mention it
 
I have 9 circuits from 120/208V three phase panelboard.

Each circuit is 20A, 120V, single phase, all in one conduit. Total of 18 conductors. Counting current carrying conductors would it be 9 or 18 for amapcity derating?

This may help:

Neutral Conductors:
Here's some examples of when to count and not count the neutral as a current carrying conductor or CCC:

3Ø- 208Y/120 or 480Y/277 volt system-different circuit types:
A) 2 wire circuit w/ 1 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's
B) 3 wire circuit w/ 2 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 3 CCC's
C) 4 wire circuit w/ 3 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 3 CCC's*

Notes:
A) A normal 2 wire circuit has equal current flowing in each of the circuit
conductors so they both count as CCC's.
B) In this circuit the neutral current will be nearly equal to the current in the
ungrounded conductors so the neutral counts as a CCC
C) In this circuit the neutral will only carry the imbalance of the current between
the three ungrounded conductors so it is not counted as a CCC, with an exception,
*if the current is more than 50% nonlinear (see below for NEC article 100
definition) then the neutral would count as a CCC.

1Ø- 120/240 volt system-different circuit types:
D) 2 wire circuit w/ 1 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's
E) 3 wire circuit w/ 2 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's

Notes:
D) A normal 2 wire circuit has equal current flowing in each of the circuit
conductors so they both count as CCC's.
E) In this circuit the neutral will only carry the imbalance between the two
ungrounded conductors so the neutral is not counted as a CCC.
Nonlinear Load. A load where the wave shape of the steady-state current does
not follow the wave shape of the applied voltage.
Informational Note: Electronic equipment, electronic/electric-discharge lighting,
adjustable-speed drive systems, and similar equipment may be nonlinear loads.
 
3 full boats (3 hots and a neutral)

Someone's going to have to explain to me one of these days how 3 hots and a neutral would ever be considered a "Full Boat". :?

3 of one kind and 1 of another would never win out over any actual "Full Boat" in any card game I've ever played. :)


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I have 9 circuits from 120/208V three phase panelboard.

Each circuit is 20A, 120V, single phase, all in one conduit. Total of 18 conductors. Counting current carrying conductors would it be 9 or 18 for amapcity derating?

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9 two wire circuits is 18 conductors and 50% on the ampacity adjustment no matter what kind of supply you have.

3 multiwire branch circuits consisting of 3 hots 1 neutral per circuit on a three phase wye system, is 9 current carrying conductors and only 70% on the ampacity adjustment.
 
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