Decorative lighting issue....

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emahler

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OK codeites....we are being asked to install a wall sconce custom manufactured by Rambusch Lighting.

The fixture will have a 6' tail on it from the manufacturer.

They are specifying that we install these fixtures on an LB condulet in a plaster/terra cotta wall.

The design is to install conduit from the bottom of the LB down to a remove junction box in an unobtrusive location.

They want us to plug the back hole.

The LB will be flush mounted in the wall (by the plasterers).

I do not have any mounting information, so I do not know if they intend to secure the fixture to the wall or directly to the condulet.

They are citing 410.14(A) and 410.67(C) as allowing this wiring method.

They completely ignore Article 314 and the support issues...

Anyone ever deal with this situation? Any ideas? Concerns? Worries?
 
emahler said:
They are specifying that we install these fixtures on an LB condulet in a plaster/terra cotta wall.

They are citing 410.14(A) and 410.67(C) as allowing this wiring method.
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410.14(A) refers the user to 410.30(b) OR (c)
410.30(b) AND (c) both seem to require the cord to be EXPOSED.
So "in" the wall seems to be a problem.


emahler said:
Anyone ever deal with this situation? Any ideas? Concerns? Worries?
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Well...as they seem to have a "workshop" in Jersey City....why don't you drop me off a pie on your way there?
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I'm not sure that the code sections you quoted are the ones I have the most concern with, but and this is a big but, this might be one of those install I would have to see to say whether I could approve it or not.

I know, lousy answer.

From what you are describing, and I'm not really sure that I'm picturing it in my head, I could see where you would have concerns.
 
I wonder why they want you to use an LB with the back hole plugged, when you could just use an 'E' body?

In any event, I sure wouldn't have any problems running a bit of fixture wire in pipe to the junction box. After all, you do the same thing when you put a longer downrod on a paddle fan.

I'm guessing they need it mounted over the LB because a regular junction box will be too wide for the canopy of the fixture? This was done quite a bit in the 20's and 30's, in my observation. Manufacturers even made all sorts of trick covers for LB's and E bodies for lots of neat things. They had one that looked like a blank cover with a grommet in the middle to hang a pendant fixture out of.
 
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Is it a really low profile canopy that won't cover a standard box? I'm with Jim, is the fixture UL approved?
 
celtic said:
410.14(A) refers the user to 410.30(b) OR (c)
410.30(b) AND (c) both seem to require the cord to be EXPOSED.
So "in" the wall seems to be a problem.




Well...as they seem to have a "workshop" in Jersey City....why don't you drop me off a pie on your way there?
:smile:
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I'll just drop one off when I inspect the jobsite...what's the name of the contractor again? i forgot:D
 
celtic said:
410.14(A) refers the user to 410.30(b) OR (c)
410.30(b) AND (c) both seem to require the cord to be EXPOSED.
So "in" the wall seems to be a problem.




Well...as they seem to have a "workshop" in Jersey City....why don't you drop me off a pie on your way there?
:smile:
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i take that back...no pie till you reread 410.14(A).....
 
celtic said:
I did read it...and also went on to read 410.30(b) and (c). :)
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Independent of the Outlet Box. Electric-discharge luminaires....blah, blah, blah...Type MI cable, nonmetallic sheathed cable, or by flexible cord as permitted in 410.30(B).....

from what I gather they plan to simply put 6' leads (like on a ceiling fan)...not a cable assembly...so it wouldn't fall under 410.30

however, i don't think that what they want to do will fly...nearest I can figure is they want us to mount whatever bracket this fixture requires directly to the plaster and just sleeve the 6' of fixture wire through the condulet and conduit into the remove j-box...

but, i have a hard time seeing that fly past the inspector...
 
emahler said:
Independent of the Outlet Box. Electric-discharge luminaires....blah, blah, blah...Type MI cable, nonmetallic sheathed cable, or by flexible cord as permitted in 410.30(B).....

from what I gather they plan to simply put 6' leads (like on a ceiling fan)...not a cable assembly...so it wouldn't fall under 410.30
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So why cite 410.14(a) if it isn't a cable assembly ?

emahler said:
however, i don't think that what they want to do will fly...nearest I can figure is they want us to mount whatever bracket this fixture requires directly to the plaster and just sleeve the 6' of fixture wire through the condulet and conduit into the remove j-box...

but, i have a hard time seeing that fly past the inspector...
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I'd fail you :cool:


Can you snap a pic or two of this thing...scan the install (gasp!) instructions ..post them?
 
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