dedicated washer machine receptacle

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I'm working in the design a new hotel, and the owner provide me a prototype, which shows two(2) washer machine in a dedicated circuits.
as per article 210 of NEC it shall be dedicated per washer machine, but is that only for dwelling, or shall that apply to commercial as well?
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Better look at the nameplate data on the washing machines and see if both are under 80% of your circuit capacity.
I would run seperate circuit for each though.
 
It's been awhile since I've done hotel jobs but those large washers that I often dealt with were Swedish that you practically needed a interpreter for to understand the nameplate data.
 
peter d said:
There are countless millions of machines that share the same 20 amp circuit. Most washers draw 7-9 amps, what makes you think this would be a problem sharing a 20 amp circuit?
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20A x 80%= 16A
9A + 9A= 18A

Seems like some of those countless millions of washers might be on overloaded circuits. And we're not even considering startup. :cool:
 
No, it's the inverse of the 125% upsizing of a circuits capacity that needs to be applied to continuous operation of equipment.
so if 2 washers running for a minimum of 3 hours at 8 amps a piece
8ampX2=16a x125% = 20amp circuit or in other words a 20 amp circuit can only be loaded up to 80% which equals 16 amps if used on a continuous basis.
I would have to check but maybe another article may apply, in regards to any fixed equipment that exceeds over 50% of a circuits capacity shall have its own circuit.
 
Thanks Golddigger, I thought there was more to it.
Which may apply in this case as there would probably be 2 receptacles on the OP's circuit.
 
mopowr steve said:
No, it's the inverse of the 125% upsizing of a circuits capacity that needs to be applied to continuous operation of equipment.
so if 2 washers running for a minimum of 3 hours at 8 amps a piece
8ampX2=16a x125% = 20amp circuit or in other words a 20 amp circuit can only be loaded up to 80% which equals 16 amps if used on a continuous basis.
I would have to check but maybe another article may apply, in regards to any fixed equipment that exceeds over 50% of a circuits capacity shall have its own circuit.
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A washing machine is not a continuous load so there is no 80% involved. Two 10 amp machines can be on a 20 amp circuit.
 
infinity said:
A washing machine is not a continuous load so there is no 80% involved. Two 10 amp machines can be on a 20 amp circuit.
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By the definition, you are absolutely right in saying that washing machines are not continuous loads. I look at this situation a little differently though. The only time, with rare exceptions, that you would even have two washers to put on the same circuit would be in a commercial laundromat or apartment complex laundry room setting. In these settings, it would be obviously impossible for a washer motor to run for at least three hours straight without interruption, due to the fact that the machines' washing cycles would be shorter then that period of time. What does seem probable, however, is that these machines could be run for eight or ten hours straight with only 3 to 4 min shutdowns for a new load to be thrown in. For my money, that is close enough to a continuous load to warrant 1 extra 20A breaker and homerun. Certainly not code requirement for a dedicated homerun, but certainly good practice IMHO.
 
kenman215 said:
20A x 80%= 16A
9A + 9A= 18A

Seems like some of those countless millions of washers might be on overloaded circuits. And we're not even considering startup. :cool:
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First, 80% does not apply to laundry, second start up is not an issue. In fact breakers are built to have inrush delay.




kenman215 said:
I believe it's 384-16(c). Don't quote me on that, it's been a while.
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Does not apply to washing machines as they wont be running for 3 hours periods in resi.
 
This has create a buzz!

well, if it not required to be dedicated, I think I will trust the prototype set of drawings I was gave and leave it as it is. But if at the end, if I find a spare, then I will split it in two separate circuit just for sake.

Thank you so much
 
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