Definition of "Industrial"

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andrew grant

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When the NEC refers to:

"Industrial facilities (establishments, buildings, etc) where conditions of maintenance and supervision ensure only qualified persons will service the installation" (Ref 210-3, 210-9, 215-11, 318-3&6, 340-4, 364-8, 370-50, 501-4&11, 502-4, etc)

Are they refering to the definitions in 1999-240-91 or 2002-240.2?

Do the restrictions of >= 2500kVA Industrial/manufacturing load, 150v L-G, etc. apply to all references to the term "Industrial" elsewhere in the code?

If not, what is the definition to be applied to the term "Industrial" elsewhere in the code?

Thanks.
 
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charlie

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Re: Definition of "Industrial"

The definition in 240.2 is only for Article 240. If it applied to the rest of the Code, it would be in Article 100. You can go to the building codes to find the common definition that is acceptable to the AHJ.
 
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bennie

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Re: Definition of "Industrial"

If you live in it...It is residential.

If you shop in it...It is commercial.

If you work in it...It is industrial.
 
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andrew grant

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California
Re: Definition of "Industrial"

Section 240.2 does state that those particular definitions are there for the purposes of that section. I was hoping to find some similar type definitions for a more general case. There are lots of references to "industrial" in many rules. It would be helpful to be able to know more definitely what that means.

We would all agree a refinery is "industrial". The truck loading racks at distribution terminals would also be "industrial". What about the dispensing stations? That seems "commercial" because it is selling to the public. Is selling to the public a definition of "commercial"?

What about the City Hall example? That is not selling but it seems "commercial". Are there just three main categories - industrial, commercial and residential?

This seems petty to me as I write but so many code sections depend on how I classify areas that I wish I could get some help. I guess the AHJ is the final arbitor. What do you think?
 
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kqresq

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I believe Benny meant actual work.
NOBODY actually WORKS in City Hall, that's just a place suits go to justify their paycheck.
 
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kqresq

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Sorry about the last post, but I just had to.
If the Uniform Building Code lists it as a Group F Occupancy it is industrial. You can look on the blueprints or the Certificate of Occupancy to obtain the UBC occupancy Group. I know that might not answer all questions, but it is a place to start.
 
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bennie

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Re: Definition of "Industrial"

Industrial is an improper word for a category. It should be "manufacturing".

Industry means skill or employment, such as working in the electrical industry. All workplaces are industrial,(except City Hall) An industrial workplace can be a commercial entity also. If you sleep on the job it may loosely be considered residential. :D

What is wrong with, houses, apartments, hotels, gas stations, refineries, and etc. to identify the wiring method.
 
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websparky

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Cleveland, Ohio
Re: Definition of "Industrial"

IBC 2003 FACTORY GROUP F
306.1 Factory Industrial Group F. Factory Industrial Group F
occupancy includes, among others, the use of a building or
structure, or a portion thereof, for assembling, disassembling,
fabricating, finishing, manufacturing, packaging, repair or processing
operations that are not classified as a Group H hazardous
or Group S storage occupancy.
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joe tedesco

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Boston, Massachusetts
Re: Definition of "Industrial"

Industrial Occupancy.

An occupancy in which products are manufactured or in which processing, assembling, mixing, packaging, finishing, decorating, or repair operations are conducted. (NFPA 101:3.3.134.8)


A-2-1.87 Industrial Occupancy.

Industrial occupancies include the following:

(1) Dry cleaning plants
(2) Factories of all kinds
(3) Food processing plants
(4) Gas plants
(5) Hangars (for servicing/maintenance)
(6) Laundries
(7) Power plants
(8) Pumping stations
(9) Refineries
(10) Sawmills
(11) Telephone exchanges


Industrial Occupancy.

Factories making products of all kinds and properties devoted to operations such as processing, assembling, mixing, packaging, finishing or decorating, and repairing.

Definition, NFPA 1:2?1, NFPA 45:1?4.49.4, 45:A?1?4.49.4, 58:1.7.34, 101:3.3.134.8, 101:6.1.12.1, 101:A.3.3.134.8, 101:A.6.1.12.1, 101B:3.3.74.8, 101B:A.3.3.74.8, 600:1?5.28, 1620:17?1.3, 5000:3.3.371.7, 5000:6.1.12.1, 5000:A.3.3.371.7, 5000:A.6.1.12.1
 
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gregoryfast

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Alaska
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U.S. Dept. of Energy definitions

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/datadefinitions/sectors25B1.htm

Commercial sector: An energy-consuming sector that consists of service-providing facilities and equipment of: businesses; Federal, State, and local governments; and other private and public organizations, such as religious, social, or fraternal groups. The commercial sector includes institutional living quarters. It also includes sewage treatment facilities. Common uses of energy associated with this sector include space heating, water heating, air conditioning, lighting, refrigeration, cooking, and running a wide variety of other equipment

Industrial sector: An energy-consuming sector that consists of all facilities and equipment used for producing, processing, or assembling goods. The industrial sector encompasses the following types of activity: manufacturing (NAICS codes 31-33); agriculture, forestry, and fisheries (NAICS code 11); mining, including oil and gas extraction (NAICS code 21); natural gas transmission (NAICS code 2212); and construction (NAICS code 23). Overall energy use in this sector is largely for process heat and cooling and powering machinery, with lesser amounts used for facility heating, air conditioning, and lighting. Fossil fuels are also used as raw material inputs to manufactured products. Note: This sector includes generators that produce electricity and/or useful thermal output primarily to support the above-mentioned industrial activities


Residential sector: An energy-consuming sector that consists of living quarters for private households. Common uses of energy associated with this sector include space heating, water heating, air conditioning, lighting, refrigeration, cooking, and running a variety of other appliances. The residential sector excludes institutional living quarters

North American Industry Classification System (NAICS)

http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/naics.html

The North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) has replaced the U.S. Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) system. NAICS will reshape the way we view our changing economy. The U.S., Canada, and Mexico to provide new comparability in statistics about business activity across North America developed NAICS jointly.

Search for classifications at:
http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics/framesrc.htm
 
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