I'm trying to decide the best course of running wire to my hot tub that is due to arrive in 2 weeks. While I am hiring a certified electrican, I'd like to figure out if I need to put in an emergency shut off. I have read in the fourums that emergency shut offs must be no closer than 5 feet from the tub. I have also read that because it is my single family home, I do not require an emergency shut off, but I will still need a maintenace shut off box located within view of the tub. AND, if I only need a mainteance shut off box, how close / far must it be? Any suggestions? Thanks for your response.
Delaware HotTub / shut off?
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Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
Newhottub, the local permitting and inspection process should calm your anxiety.
The code requirements in your area may step outside the NEC requirements that you will receive here. Of course there are Delaware members here, so hold on.
Roger
[ June 03, 2004, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
Newhottub, the local permitting and inspection process should calm your anxiety.
The code requirements in your area may step outside the NEC requirements that you will receive here. Of course there are Delaware members here, so hold on.
Roger
[ June 03, 2004, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
luke warmwater
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Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
I don't understand why you are going to run wire to the hot tub but you are going to hire a certified electrician.
F.Y.I.:
The State of Delaware does not require an emergency shut-off. Only the 'maintenance' disconnect switch 'within sight' as described in Article 680.
The State of Delaware, while they'll issue homeowner permits for work on an individual's own home, will Not issue a homeowner's permit for wiring of a pool or hot tub.
I personally do not know of an Electrician in Delaware that would allow the homeowner to do the wiring and have the work inspected under his/her license. I'm not saying that doesn't possibly happen, but I don't know it. The circut will be inspected from the Panel to the Spa. Not just from the disconnect.
My best piece of advise is to get estimates and check references.
I don't understand why you are going to run wire to the hot tub but you are going to hire a certified electrician.
F.Y.I.:
The State of Delaware does not require an emergency shut-off. Only the 'maintenance' disconnect switch 'within sight' as described in Article 680.
The State of Delaware, while they'll issue homeowner permits for work on an individual's own home, will Not issue a homeowner's permit for wiring of a pool or hot tub.
I personally do not know of an Electrician in Delaware that would allow the homeowner to do the wiring and have the work inspected under his/her license. I'm not saying that doesn't possibly happen, but I don't know it. The circut will be inspected from the Panel to the Spa. Not just from the disconnect.
My best piece of advise is to get estimates and check references.
Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
I don't think you understood what I meant. I was just trying to figure out for myself where the electrician would have to put the shut-off and what type was needed. I would really like to run my wire through the attic and come out right near the tub. If I do that, the shut off will be 2 feet from the tub. If I cant do that, then I will probably have to have them run the wire completely outside and the shut off will be around the corner of the house and 5 feet away. I have 2 guys coming to do an estimate and I would like to discuss this with them when they arrive. My curiosity is what made me add this post.
I don't think you understood what I meant. I was just trying to figure out for myself where the electrician would have to put the shut-off and what type was needed. I would really like to run my wire through the attic and come out right near the tub. If I do that, the shut off will be 2 feet from the tub. If I cant do that, then I will probably have to have them run the wire completely outside and the shut off will be around the corner of the house and 5 feet away. I have 2 guys coming to do an estimate and I would like to discuss this with them when they arrive. My curiosity is what made me add this post.
luke warmwater
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Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
I did misunderstand you.
The disconnect will not be allowed 2' from the tub. And you may or may not be allowed to run cable from the panel to the disconnect. If the electrician has ever wired a hot tub and had it inspected in Delaware, he should know.
Around the corner might work, if the disconnect is right on the corner. The definition of within sight states ..."the specified equipment is to be visible and not more than (50ft.)..."
The tub will have to be connected to the disconnect using conduit. And is there a light in the tub?? If so, depending on the inspector, it might have to be connected to the panel in conduit.
There is speculation by some on the ruling. There are some that argue that the light is connected as part of a listed assembly and should not have to comply with the insulated ground all the way back to the panel(which you won't have if you run a cable assembly). It is best to check with the inspector.
The manufacturer instructions might require it anyway.
Did you get a county permit to install the tub?? (not an electrical permit).
I've heard of guys not getting jobs like this inspected if no county permit was pulled. No matter what, I would make sure that there is an electrical inspection performed.
I did misunderstand you.
The disconnect will not be allowed 2' from the tub. And you may or may not be allowed to run cable from the panel to the disconnect. If the electrician has ever wired a hot tub and had it inspected in Delaware, he should know.
Around the corner might work, if the disconnect is right on the corner. The definition of within sight states ..."the specified equipment is to be visible and not more than (50ft.)..."
The tub will have to be connected to the disconnect using conduit. And is there a light in the tub?? If so, depending on the inspector, it might have to be connected to the panel in conduit.
There is speculation by some on the ruling. There are some that argue that the light is connected as part of a listed assembly and should not have to comply with the insulated ground all the way back to the panel(which you won't have if you run a cable assembly). It is best to check with the inspector.
The manufacturer instructions might require it anyway.
Did you get a county permit to install the tub?? (not an electrical permit).
I've heard of guys not getting jobs like this inspected if no county permit was pulled. No matter what, I would make sure that there is an electrical inspection performed.
Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
Here on the left coast, the land of pools and spas, we use the CEC which is close to the Nec. If your hot tub or spa is self-contained, Art. 680-38, refering to a disconnect > 5'& within sight, does in fact say "This requirement shall not apply to single family dwellings". Although if in the event of an emergency,when seconds count, it would be a good idea to have a means of quickly disconnecting the power to the spa or hot tub. In addition a GFCI breaker is also required,and would be an added safety feature to ensure you and your family and friends can enjoy the pleasures of the hydro-therapy. Not to mention the tax write off! Check too with the Manufacture, they usually want all conductors to be the same size including the GEC. Remember electricity loves H2O. Let me know if you have any other questions, I have installed over 2500 in my 18 years in the business.
Here on the left coast, the land of pools and spas, we use the CEC which is close to the Nec. If your hot tub or spa is self-contained, Art. 680-38, refering to a disconnect > 5'& within sight, does in fact say "This requirement shall not apply to single family dwellings". Although if in the event of an emergency,when seconds count, it would be a good idea to have a means of quickly disconnecting the power to the spa or hot tub. In addition a GFCI breaker is also required,and would be an added safety feature to ensure you and your family and friends can enjoy the pleasures of the hydro-therapy. Not to mention the tax write off! Check too with the Manufacture, they usually want all conductors to be the same size including the GEC. Remember electricity loves H2O. Let me know if you have any other questions, I have installed over 2500 in my 18 years in the business.
grandpapastu
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Re: Delaware HotTub / shut off?
I want to personally thank you for making the effort to become an educated consumer. Contracting: Ultimately you, your money and your demands of all those involved are responsible for the product.
Too many criminally negligent installations going in and too many of them being passed or overlooked at inspection.
Too many ugly things goin' on in my trade ya'll! and it is really hurting us.
Hold there feet to the fire and pay them every dime they're worth no matter how big or small the job. Pay them well for a well done job.
I want to personally thank you for making the effort to become an educated consumer. Contracting: Ultimately you, your money and your demands of all those involved are responsible for the product.
Too many criminally negligent installations going in and too many of them being passed or overlooked at inspection.
Too many ugly things goin' on in my trade ya'll! and it is really hurting us.
Hold there feet to the fire and pay them every dime they're worth no matter how big or small the job. Pay them well for a well done job.
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