Question about replacing devices. I have been retired for a few years now so not current with code. Someone told me that if a homeowner needs a single or several receptacles just relaced for color or style that they now need to add AFCI protection? Is that right? that would turn a few hundred dollar project into a thousand dollar plus project. Is this correct?
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LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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Yep.
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That is correct. If the replacement receptacles are installed in an area that requires GFCI protection then it must be installed when changing the device. If you're in NJ they have removed this from the code.
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I definitely understand the GFCI requirement but to have to make an entire circuit AFCI just because someone replaces one receptacle?
That seems a bit extreme.
Seems a bit extreme.
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That's not what the NEC requires. If you replaced a receptacle in a room that requires AFCI protection that only applies to the device that you're replacing.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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Yep.
hbiss
EC, Westchester, New York NEC: 2014
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But it boosts AFCI profits.
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LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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You don't have to do that, the replacement receptacle can be an AFCI receptacle. List items one and two provide for the use of AFCI type receptacles, but list item three would permit the use of an AFCI circuit breaker.
shortcircuit2
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406.4(D)
(4) Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection.
If a receptacle located in any areas specified in 210.12(A), (B), or (C) is replaced, a replacement receptacle at this outlet shall be one of the following
Is the reference to 210.12(A) in 406.4(D)(4) a mistake that was corrected thru TIA or Errata?
210.12(A) is "Means of Protection" not a "location"...
(4) Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection.
If a receptacle located in any areas specified in 210.12(A), (B), or (C) is replaced, a replacement receptacle at this outlet shall be one of the following
Is the reference to 210.12(A) in 406.4(D)(4) a mistake that was corrected thru TIA or Errata?
210.12(A) is "Means of Protection" not a "location"...
It's criminal.
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
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- LA basin, CA
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- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
1-outlet change in equipment closets can take 7-inspection Red Tags to approve.It won't take long for this to be the most violated code requirement.
1. Amperage rating is not typical
2. Wiring MWBC junction is not typical
3. Confirming MWBC is on opposite legs
4. Listed means for Al wire is required
5. Show me closet is not typical for AFCI
6. Show me Equip. closet wont need GFCI
7. Show me Tamper Resistant Exception
Only after settling all these questions is a 20A duplex allowed.
Sounds like that whole process and the NEC needs a good DOGEing.
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
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- LA basin, CA
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- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
Would be nice if firing employees could stop corporate welfare, or manufacture greed, from expanding NFPA rules.
I am not sure why use AFCI devices unless you have a panel you can't get a AFCI breaker for.
People have a hard enough time finding where the GFCI outlet is to reset it.
Typically if an outlet is not working and there is not a reset on that outlet people go look in their panel.
People have a hard enough time finding where the GFCI outlet is to reset it.
Typically if an outlet is not working and there is not a reset on that outlet people go look in their panel.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
"I turned every breaker off and back on again, but it still doesn't work."