DF Arcfault/GFCI recetacles

[wireday]

does anyone know if we can down stream these with 3 prong receptacles on a old two wire circuit,like we do with regular GFCI receptacles? thanks

 

[al hildenbrand]

406.4(D)(2)(c) and 406.4(D)(4) work hand-in-glove, in my opinion, when the dual function AF/GF receptacle is installed as a replacement for an existing two wire receptacle on an ungrounded wiring method. Any down stream receptacles can be replaced with grounding types, per 406.4(D)(2)(c), and they all get labeled NO EQUIPMENT GROUND, and, also, the down stream receptacles get labeled GFCI PROTECTED.

 

[GoldDigger]

Or maybe "GFCI/AFCI protected" on the sticker?

 

[al hildenbrand]

Or maybe "GFCI/AFCI protected" on the sticker?

That sounds like a Proposal for the 2020.

As yet, no labeling of any outlet with AFCI protection is in the NEC.

 

[kwired]

Such labeling means nothing to the users, only thing it may be good for is to give some indication to an electrician that they may need to look for GFCI (or AFCI if that would ever come up) that might be tripped somewhere.

If they want to require labels that are useful to end users, they should require them to say - "if this receptacle does not work, check to make sure receptacle located XXXXXX....XX.....XXXXXX is not tripped".

 

[jaylectricity]

Such labeling means nothing to the users, only thing it may be good for is to give some indication to an electrician that they may need to look for GFCI (or AFCI if that would ever come up) that might be tripped somewhere.

If they want to require labels that are useful to end users, they should require them to say - "if this receptacle does not work, check to make sure receptacle located XXXXXX....XX.....XXXXXX is not tripped".

Would you just write that in permanent marker on the wall next to the receptacle? Seems like a mouthful.

 

[peter d]

Who's doing this for a circuit extension? Not me. :happyno:

 

[ptonsparky]

Who's doing this for a circuit extension? Not me. :happyno:

We just worked for a realtor after a HI. We installed GFCIs where he wanted them but also used AFCI devices at the PUSHMATIC loadcenter to protect those as needed. Ignored all the other stuff that was wrong in the house.

 

[kwired]

Would you just write that in permanent marker on the wall next to the receptacle? Seems like a mouthful.

I'm thinking minimum 48x96 sign, with UV resistance bolted to wall next to the receptacle, minimum 6 inch high lettering