Disconnect and HVAC labeling sanity check

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Other than at the serving panel, is there any labeling requirements I am missing for roof top HVAC equipment and disconnects? Looking at an inspection report and inspector is saying HVAC and fixed electric heat disconnects must have panel and circuit number. Pretty sure there is no such thing.
 

infinity

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If the disconnect is right next to the equipment and is "arranged so the purpose is evident" then no label required.
 

curt swartz

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If the disconnect is right next to the equipment and is "arranged so the purpose is evident" then no label required.
One jurisdiction near me requires an engraved nameplate on all HVAC equipment disconnects. Even a single family dwelling with one A/C unit connected with 3' of liquidtight between the disconnect and unit requires a label indicating what the disconnect is for. I have unsuccessfully argued that if someone can't figure out what the disconnect is for they have no business touching it. I doubt a label will help for those people anyway.
 

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One jurisdiction near me requires an engraved nameplate on all HVAC equipment disconnects. Even a single family dwelling with one A/C unit connected with 3' of liquidtight between the disconnect and unit requires a label indicating what the disconnect is for. I have unsuccessfully argued that if someone can't figure out what the disconnect is for they have no business touching it. I doubt a label will help for those people anyway.
If it's a local code amendment I don't have a problem with that. But as you've stated even a dummy shouldn't need a label for a switch connected to the unit by a visible raceway.
 
Ok inspector is definitely off base. He is coming back tomorrow for something else and I will challenge him on it. Every disconnect is on or immediately adjacento the equipment. Plus, he said label with panel and circuit number not "purpose".
 

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Ok inspector is definitely off base. He is coming back tomorrow for something else and I will challenge him on it. Every disconnect is on or immediately adjacento the equipment. Plus, he said label with panel and circuit number not "purpose".
In the 2020 edition there is the added requirement to show the circuit source
 
Ok I looked at the state and city (Seattle) electrical codes and they do have similar wording as the 2020 NEC, requiring identifying the source panel. It has similar confusing language, which reads to me that the requirement for an identification plate with source panel is trigger IF the disconnect's purpose is not evident, but if clearly evident, no label required. 10 bucks says the inspector wont read it that way.
 

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Ok I looked at the state and city (Seattle) electrical codes and they do have similar wording as the 2020 NEC, requiring identifying the source panel. It has similar confusing language, which reads to me that the requirement for an identification plate with source panel is trigger IF the disconnect's purpose is not evident, but if clearly evident, no label required. 10 bucks says the inspector wont read it that way.
It seems to me that the wording of 110.22(A) (2020) is very poor. In my view just because the purpose of the disco is obvious that would not mean that the circuit supplying it is obvious. I wonder what the CMPs intent is.
 

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Interesting take on the wording. I don't think most AHJs would see it that way. Time will tell.
How so, the wording is clear. The first part it tells you when a label is or is not required. The second part tells you what it needs to say and as you've pointed out that wording has been expanded in the 2020 NEC. If the label is not required because the switch is "arranged so the purpose is evident" it simply not required.
 
How so, the wording is clear. The first part it tells you when a label is or is not required. The second part tells you what it needs to say and as you've pointed out that wording has been expanded in the 2020 NEC. If the label is not required because the switch is "arranged so the purpose is evident" it simply not required.
I guess I agree the wording is clear, but the reasoning is not. I don't see why, whether what the disconnect is serving is evident or not, has anything to do with a need to label it with the source circuit.
 

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How so, the wording is clear.
The "unless" phrase can be taken to refer to whether the marking has to indicate purpose or not, rather than whether the marking may be omitted or not. Because the other way of reading it makes no practical sense, as observed.

Cheers, Wayne
 

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I guess I agree the wording is clear, but the reasoning is not. I don't see why, whether what the disconnect is serving is evident or not, has anything to do with a need to label it with the source circuit.
I agree it is poorly worded and probably not written correctly. Mike Holt in his 2020 code changes book disagrees with me however is says what it says. If no label is required for switches where there purpose is evident (like a disconnect feeding an AC right next to it) then how can you require certain information on the label that isn't required in the first place?

110.22(A) General.
Each disconnecting means shall be legibly marked to indicate its purpose unless located and arranged so the purpose is evident.
 

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If no label is required for switches where there purpose is evident (like a disconnect feeding an AC right next to it) then how can you require certain information on the label that isn't required in the first place?
Since there is more than one way to read it, the above suggests you've chosen the wrong one. : - )

Cheers, Wayne
 
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