Disconnect for a backup generator

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A customer would like a backup generator installed to power his entire house. I am going to use a manual disconnect on both sides of his main panel, do I need to install one outside where the generator is located? And if so, I know that it has to be in sight of the generator, but where in the NEC specifically does it state distance if I can see 100 ft. to his house from the generator. Any logical and specific input would be appreciated.
 
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The Article 100 definition of ?In Sight From? says the limit is 50 feet.

However, I do not understand what you mean by,
I am going to use a manual disconnect on both sides of his main panel
How do you plan on connecting the generator?
 
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Line of sight or 50 ft.But is it ?look at 445.18 no min no max. ;)
 
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What the customer wants to do is if there is a power outage he will manually disconnect the power supply from the power company. He then will start the gas generator outside via pull start engine and close the disconnect from the generator to the main panel. This is the route that the customer wants to take to keep construction and material costs to a minimum but still achieve his goal.
 
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I see that in the code book it says 50 ft for A/C or refrigeration equipment for a disconnect. Charlie b where does it say 50 ft for a generator disconnect or are you using the 50 ft rule from Article 440.14 Location ?
 
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Hey charlie b, I went back through the NEC book and you are right the only positive information I have to go on is Article 100 definition of "In sight from" . Thanks. :)
 
Re: Disconnect for a backup generator

Originally posted by cavscout:
What the customer wants to do is if there is a power outage he will manually disconnect the power supply from the power company. He then will start the gas generator outside via pull start engine and close the disconnect from the generator to the main panel. This is the route that the customer wants to take to keep construction and material costs to a minimum but still achieve his goal.
And how are you going to achieve the required mechanical interlock???
I would not recommend that you do this install in the proposed manner.
 
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If your customer wants to use a manual switch, then you should be using a DPDT service rated switch.
 
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As far as the question of whether or not you need a disconnect outside leads to an other question first, will you be running the outside feeder into the house at another location other then at the transfer wswitch? And even then, the extra disconnect could be located inside.
 
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I think this installation is going to kill the owner! I do not jest.

Luke had the right question. Here is the code answer:
702.6 Transfer equipment shall be suitable for the intended use and designed and installed so as to prevent the inadvertent interconnection of normal and alternate sources of power in any operation of the transfer equipment.
 
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i think this installation could kill a lineman!

i recently helped wire a house where the owner, armed with a few stupid ideas from the local supply house, took it upon himself to install a 30 amp, 250 volt dryer outlet below the panel and wanted to use it to backfeed a 2 pole 30 amp breaker in the panel..
when the power goes out, he will use a double male cord and plug his generator into that outlet...
what happens if there is a line down, upstream of the homeowner's transformer, and a lineman comes to fix it, and gets fried by 7200 volts all because the homeowner FORGOT to turn off his main??
 
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Izak,
This very thing evidently happened in Young Harris, GA during hurricane Ivan to a power company lineman.
I tried a Google for more information but came up dry. The source is a thread at ECN network.
~Peter
 
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