Do PoE devices need to be listed equipment

[gfdbiker]

I have a fairly major equipment provider supplying PoE cameras and power supplies. The power supplies are listed but the cameras are not. According to the manufacturer, it is not required. All class 2 and 3 wiring needs to be listed but why would the end device not need to be listed.

 

[jumper]

I do not think the cameras would be covered by the NEC. Would not that be the responsibility of the end user?

I would liken it to lights. Fixtures are covered, but not table lamps.

 

[zbang]

Assuming they're not used for life safety functions and aren't mounted in classified areas, why would they need listing?

 

[jumper]

I do not think the cameras would be covered by the NEC. Would not that be the responsibility of the end user?

I would liken it to lights. Fixtures are covered, but not table lamps.

As I look at 410, maybe table lamps could fall under 410.6 and be required to be listed. We do not usually install/provide them so I never really thought about it.

 

[dfmischler]

I see a lot of the low-cost PoE cameras having CE marks, but not UL. My Aastra PoE telephones have CE and CSA(US). How about wireless access points?

AXIS apparently has UL listed PoE cameras.

 

[JFletcher]

I see a lot of the low-cost PoE cameras having CE marks, but not UL. My Aastra PoE telephones have CE and CSA(US). How about wireless access points?

AXIS apparently has UL listed PoE cameras.

WAPs are essentially user equipment and outside the NEC. None I know of can be hard wired. The only concern I would have with them is function and if they were in an air handling space. Same with cameras minus the air handling space, substitute security and liability (ever see a camera on a commercial pool or rec room?).

 

[gfdbiker]

WAPs are essentially user equipment and outside the NEC. None I know of can be hard wired. The only concern I would have with them is function and if they were in an air handling space. Same with cameras minus the air handling space, substitute security and liability (ever see a camera on a commercial pool or rec room?).

The camera are wired via a Cat 5 cable which if my interpretation is correct is required to be a listed circuit per NEC 725. Where in the NEC does it clarify that end-user equipment is exempt? The PoE equipment I have on my desk ( camera, phone ) have UL listing. I am surprised if a manufacture would go through the hassle if it is not required.

 

[zbang]

Where in the NEC does it clarify that end-user equipment is exempt?

Look at it the other way- the NEC says where listing is required. If the NEC doesn't mention listing, it's not needed by the NEC.

The PoE equipment I have on my desk ( camera, phone ) have UL listing. I am surprised if a manufacture would go through the hassle if it is not required.

Could be that another code often requires listing or because the mfg thinks they'll sell more devices with a UL logo than without.