Do you need two ground rods if you have ufer grounding?

[Sparky9876]

Hello,
i am currently starting a project and it’s coming out of the ground. The spec sheet shows i need to install an ufer ground. Do i need to install two ground rods as well as the ufer ground? And if so can the ground rods be encased with concrete?

 

[ActionDave]

Welcome to the forum.

Look at 250.53. There are only a couple of cases where a supplemental grounding electrode is required.

 

[infinity]

Welcome to the Forum.

Short answer is no.

 

[romex jockey]

Longer (or more frustrating) answer is trying to explain it to a poco rep who's job is to look for Grods.....~RJ~

 

[david]

Hello,
i am currently starting a project and it’s coming out of the ground. The spec sheet shows i need to install an ufer ground. Do i need to install two ground rods as well as the ufer ground? And if so can the ground rods be encased with concrete?

It depends on the utility company in your area of PA. Here the utility requires two ground rods in there regulations

The utility Co. regulations are available on line.

 

[LarryFine]

Here the utility requires two ground rods in there regulations.

Do they consider the UFER to act as one of those rods?

 

[DBoone]

Do they consider the UFER to act as one of those rods?

I bet they look for actual rods. A lot of people feel warm and fuzzy the more ground rods they have.

 

[MAC702]

...Here the utility requires two ground rods in there regulations...

They got bumper stickers on their trucks, too:

 

[LarryFine]

They got bumper stickers on their trucks, too:

Doesn't driving ground rods hurt the dirt?

 

[MAC702]

Doesn't driving ground rods hurt the dirt?

It's more of a massage these days:

 

[electrofelon]

Ground rods support the steel workers. Please think of the steel workers.

 

[electrofelon]

MAC, can you describe that driver? I assume that is an SDS plus, and no one makes a driver for it. I welded a socket on an old bit.

 

[MAC702]

MAC, can you describe that driver? I assume that is an SDS plus, and no one makes a driver for it. I welded a socket on an old bit.

Sorry. I grabbed a pic off the internet. That was the first one that popped up.

However, here's an SDS+ on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/SDS-Ground...115296&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=sds+plus+drivefr

 

[electrofelon]

Oh cool. I guess someone does make one.

 

[JFletcher]

Oh cool. I guess someone does make one.

I bet for that rigged one he posted a pic of, someone simply took a chisel bit, ground the head flat, and slipped on a piece of rubber hose to guide the whole thing - the hose clamp at the bottom wouldnt work if the part that went over the rod were steel.

Sorry. I grabbed a pic off the internet. That was the first one that popped up.

However, here's an SDS+ on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/SDS-Ground...115296&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=sds+plus+drivefr

Nice find. Will get one as using a SDS-MAX rotohammer can be a beast at times.

 

[ptonsparky]

It depends on the utility company in your area of PA. Here the utility requires two ground rods in there regulations

The utility Co. regulations are available on line.

New local city inspector is enforcing the POCO requirement for a ground rod connection at the meter even with a ufr. So, ufr = 1 rod, no ufr = 2 rods.

 

[david]

Ground rods support the steel workers. Please think of the steel workers.

um, when i was 11 years old my grandfather was killed at Youngstown Sheet and Tube , they eventually where taken by J & L, along with B&W and all the big steel producers shut down, we still use a lot of ground rods though. Talked to representatives for the power companies a few times, they have no plans on changing there regulations.

 

[kwired]

New local city inspector is enforcing the POCO requirement for a ground rod connection at the meter even with a ufr. So, ufr = 1 rod, no ufr = 2 rods.

NPPD? or someone copying their requirements?

 

[jumper]

New local city inspector is enforcing the POCO requirement for a ground rod connection at the meter even with a ufr. So, ufr = 1 rod, no ufr = 2 rods.

That just means your local POCO is nuts, not the inspector.