Documented switching procedure

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hhsting

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Has anyone ever heard of documented switching procedure NEC 2014 Section 225.30(E) for apartments classification R2 as exception to multiple feeders?
 

don_resqcapt19

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I would never permit such a procedure for anyplace that does not have 24/7 onsite qualified electricians.

However the code does not say that...it only says you have to a documented switching procedure.
 

hhsting

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I would never permit such a procedure for anyplace that does not have 24/7 onsite qualified electricians.

However the code does not say that...it only says you have to a documented switching procedure.


If the code does not say it then nothing can be done. How can one review the procedure and permit? We are not designers and if code does not say then we can’t. Code also does not say what is involved in documented switching procedure or what is required to review them. No code section provided as to what documented procedure is or what it suppose to contain.

So if their is a note documented switching procedure has been provided on plans as stated in NEC 2014 Section 225 letter E I wonder if this would be sufficient? Otherwise how can one review such procedure AHJ only enforce NEC
 

don_resqcapt19

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On the plans is not close enough for me...I need to see the documents on site and see who is going to do the switching. If I don't see what I want, they get a red tag for not installing the required disconnect, and if they don't like my ruling they can push it up to the next level(s).
 

hhsting

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On the plans is not close enough for me...I need to see the documents on site and see who is going to do the switching. If I don't see what I want, they get a red tag for not installing the required disconnect, and if they don't like my ruling they can push it up to the next level(s).

How does one know which disconnect is required where code doesn’t tell? As plan reviewers this can get tough
 

hhsting

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I would never permit such a procedure for anyplace that does not have 24/7 onsite qualified electricians.

However the code does not say that...it only says you have to a documented switching procedure.

Apartment complex have electrician on-site 24 hours or qualified maintenance personnel no?
 

augie47

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Debate could go on infinitum as it is not spelled out in specific in the Code. All anyone here can do is offer an opinion. You need to run it by whomever has the final say in your jurisdiction (AHJ normally) and see what the call will be.
I happen to agree with Don but the final say may be subject to appeal.
 

hhsting

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Debate could go on infinitum as it is not spelled out in specific in the Code. All anyone here can do is offer an opinion. You need to run it by whomever has the final say in your jurisdiction (AHJ normally) and see what the call will be.
I happen to agree with Don but the final say may be subject to appeal.

That’s what is needed opinion. However guess what? Who is the AHJ :(
 

hhsting

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I would never permit such a procedure for anyplace that does not have 24/7 onsite qualified electricians.

However the code does not say that...it only says you have to a documented switching procedure.

So strictly following code keeping aside personal preferences Any documented procedure is acceptable since code does not specify. Even ones made by clueless engineers since code does not specify what they should be.

So Anyone can say they have a documented procedure and details of those procedure would be design issue Not Code issue since code does Not specify what they should be thus allowing multiple feeders? Correct or incorrect?
 

augie47

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In most cases the owner/occupant would be required to submit written documentation acceptablem to the AHJ AHJ's call !
 
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