Does a pool circuit need to be seperate ?

[ritelec]

Never really thought of it.
Residential. A circuit is run in rx to an exterior wall for a pool
In the building its boxed, turns into PVC with a gfci going outside (guessing at this point it also gets a insulated ground )

Is it permissible to add a convenience receptacle on that circuit inside side the building before the gfci and conduit to pool ?

Thank you

 

[kwired]

Never really thought of it.
Residential. A circuit is run in rx to an exterior wall for a pool
In the building its boxed, turns into PVC with a gfci going outside (guessing at this point it also gets a insulated ground )

Is it permissible to add a convenience receptacle on that circuit inside side the building before the gfci and conduit to pool ?

Thank you

What is the pool equipment being supplied, is it also cord and plug connected, and what is it's load rating? Might make a difference before even looking into anything that might be in art 680, as you have created a multioutlet circuit that supplies receptacle outlets. If the pool equipment is more then 50% of circuit rating might be a no-no before getting out of chapter 2.

 

[ritelec]

Ok. Thankyou. Great point !!!

For grins. What if it did get out of chapter two ( which I doubt it's going to) ???

 

[kwired]

Ok. Thankyou. Great point !!!

For grins. What if it did get out of chapter two ( which I doubt it's going to) ???

Next place is to start reading in 680 then. To narrow down what in 680 might apply- you apparently have an outdoor pool, is is a permanent pool or a storable pool?

 

[ritelec]

yes...... I will do that.

Was just in my head I never saw the word designated (I don't think) as with laundry... appliance...

women wants a convenience receptacle on 1st floor......... walking through closed ceiling basement, to next room in basement which is garage (still closed ceiling) to next room closed ceiling which is where the gfci goes out (the room she wants the receptacle is above there).

There are TWO exposed nm circuits ( looks like from panel) across the ceiling at the garage going to a box for the garage door opener, then a single nm going across the ceiling exposed to the room going out to the pool..

Was hoping to tap off one of them, But I can't go for the garage door either because of the 210.11 c 4 right.................. smh... lol......

 

[ritelec]

Next place is to start reading in 680 then. To narrow down what in 680 might apply- you apparently have an outdoor pool, is is a permanent pool or a storable pool?

permanent

 

[ritelec]

I'll look for a different circuit............. Thank you !!!

 

[Dennis Alwon]

permanent

Most large pools may be 240v.

 

[ritelec]

thank you (Dylan................nice)

 

[LarryFine]

If you run a new circuit and the pump is dual-voltage, I'd opt for 240v.

 

[ritelec]

OK....... still kinda curious.

I found a different circuit to use for that receptacle (smh.... long story).

But any how, the existing pool is permanent, the motor is 110v 11 amps with a chord and a twist lock plug ... "IF" it was a 10 amp motor, on a twenty amp circuit could I have used that circuit for a convenience receptacle inside the dwelling.

To also ask, it also has two convenience outlets on it by the pool motor receptacle.... is that a violation ?

thank you

 

[kwired]

OK....... still kinda curious.

I found a different circuit to use for that receptacle (smh.... long story).

But any how, the existing pool is permanent, the motor is 110v 11 amps with a chord and a twist lock plug ... "IF" it was a 10 amp motor, on a twenty amp circuit could I have used that circuit for a convenience receptacle inside the dwelling.

To also ask, it also has two convenience outlets on it by the pool motor receptacle.... is that a violation ?

thank you

Strict enforcement shouldn't even allow an 11 amp "fastened in place" equipment on 20 amp circuit to be on a duplex receptacle.

 

[ritelec]

Strict enforcement shouldn't even allow an 11 amp "fastened in place" equipment on 20 amp circuit to be on a duplex receptacle.

The motor us on a twist lock

What if the motor was ten amp ??


Also I vaguely remember a year or two ago where that motor with a chord didn't need to be twist lock anymore and by putting a duplex repecptacle it would also meet the requirements for the convenience receptacle ??



This house has the motor on twist lock. 11 amps. With duplex convenience outlet.

 

[kwired]

The motor us on a twist lock

What if the motor was ten amp ??


Also I vaguely remember a year or two ago where that motor with a chord didn't need to be twist lock anymore and by putting a duplex repecptacle it would also meet the requirements for the convenience receptacle ??



This house has the motor on twist lock. 11 amps. With duplex convenience outlet.

I was aware that you mentioned twist lock, which ordinarily would be a simplex receptacle, just was stating that it would be a violation if there were more then one outlet unless that additional outlet was also for fastened in place equipment- 210.23(A)(2) is the applicable section.

 

[ritelec]

thank you..........what if the motor was just sitting there.... kidding...

what I find nuts are the electric fireplaces..
1500W, they aren't fastened in place and I need to replace two receptacles from two different people last week?
one burn't the entire side of a back stab ( wonder how the other receptacles in that circuit feeding it that are also back stabbed are doing ?? ) the other burnt at the neutral slot and back.
Both also burn't into the insulation along the conductor.

I've never installed one of these so never saw an installation manual .... is it because it's portable they can just sell them ?
Did a google search on electric fireplace and fire with no real hits...

thanks again

 

[kwired]

thank you..........what if the motor was just sitting there.... kidding...

what I find nuts are the electric fireplaces..
1500W, they aren't fastened in place and I need to replace two receptacles from two different people last week?
one burn't the entire side of a back stab ( wonder how the other receptacles in that circuit feeding it that are also back stabbed are doing ?? ) the other burnt at the neutral slot and back.
Both also burn't into the insulation along the conductor.

I've never installed one of these so never saw an installation manual .... is it because it's portable they can just sell them ?
Did a google search on electric fireplace and fire with no real hits...

thanks again

They are no different for the most part then other portable electric space heaters. All of which are fire hazards if cord and plug connected IMO. Many have a lot of safety features built into them - but none of those features solves any issue with poor connections at receptacles.

Sure there are other items that draw similar power - but most never are as continuous of a load and never heat up the plug/receptacle as much because of the lesser duty cycle.