Does anyone remember the gfci thread??

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quogueelectric

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I just found in my shed about 8 old style gfci receptacles while clearing out the house for a closing on friday.

These are at least 15 years old circa the (Defective ) as some say gfcis which caused me much grief. I will be able to plug these 2 brands Bryant and Cooper into my little experiment board and see if they come up with the same results as the newer gfcis which worked perfectly.

I am clearing tennants crap for the next few days so I will not be able to set it up until the weekend. I will be waiting with breathless anticipation for the results. Cold case CSI.

I still want an old leviton but the basements havent been cleared yet there is a very good possibility that I will find one in basement storage.

I have found all kinds of exotic electrical treats today but have to concentrate on filling the dumpsters rather than searching for treasures for the next 3 days.
 
I am not kidding you cant just make this stuff up. Cleanout an electricians shed 2 basements and attic and I threw out much of it not to blow the closing yet saved many hidden treasures like about a dozen old gfci receptacles in different mfgs. I got free tickets to the giants game sun night so the experiment may be postponed for a little while.
 
LarryFine said:
Don't grounding receptacles come with the same instruction?
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I dont know I never read them. However the newer outlets say either with or without I have hard copy of instalation instructions that say it MUST be pigtailed. As soon as I close on friday in the blizzard I will run test when I have time and post back.
 
Cow, you really want to go back down this road?

Where you not tenderized enough the first time around? :D

Maybe this time we will make some nice brisket. :cool:

GFCIs do not and have not required an EGC to operate.

I will go as far as Larry F and say that in theory they will need to be supplied by a grounded electrical system. However that is pretty much a moot point as all the NEC required GFCIs will be supplied by a grounded system.
 
iwire said:
I will go as far as Larry F and say that in theory they will need to be supplied by a grounded electrical system. However that is pretty much a moot point as all the NEC required GFCIs will be supplied by a grounded system.
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Then we can debate if they will work on an ungrounded system. Oh wait...too late, we did that too. ;)
 
Hey, it may be a good idea to move this into the other thread and re-open it. ;):D

Roger
 
iwire said:
Cow, you really want to go back down this road?

Where you not tenderized enough the first time around? :D

Maybe this time we will make some nice brisket. :cool:

GFCIs do not and have not required an EGC to operate.

I will go as far as Larry F and say that in theory they will need to be supplied by a grounded electrical system. However that is pretty much a moot point as all the NEC required GFCIs will be supplied by a grounded system.
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That is very amusing because I have the instalation instructions with my cooper gfci that says you are dead wrong sitting 2 feet to my left. I am back on this road and was busy closing on a house in a snowstorm 60 miles to the buyers attorney. It is sitting in front of me and as soon as I have time you will not only see the instructions but I WILL ALSO TEST these older model gfcis. Maybe they will have the same results maybe not but for sure we will soon see. The Cooper/ arrow hart brand specifically states in its instructions that the ground MUST BE CONNECTED in 3 different sections. I suspect this brand is the culprit.
 
quogueelectric said:
The Cooper/ arrow hart brand specifically states in its instructions that the ground MUST BE CONNECTED in 3 different sections. I suspect this brand is the culprit.
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Yes, it needs to be connected because it's a 3 prong receptacle.

Remove the EGC and the GFCI will still operate properly.
 
quogueelectric said:
That is very amusing because I have the instalation instructions with my cooper gfci that says you are dead wrong sitting 2 feet to my left.
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No, that is not what you told us it says

Your own words.....

I read the instructions from an arrow hart/cooper gfci and they REQUIRED the ground to be hooked up in the instructions.
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All grounding type equipment and device instructions say to connect the EGC, that is a far cry from saying the EGC is required for the GFCI to operate.

Your free to post your opinion that GFCIs require an EGC to operate just as I am free to post my opinion that your mistaken. :smile:
 
iwire said:
No, that is not what you told us it says

Your own words.....



All grounding type equipment and device instructions say to connect the EGC, that is a far cry from saying the EGC is required for the GFCI to operate.

Your free to post your opinion that GFCIs require an EGC to operate just as I am free to post my opinion that your mistaken. :smile:
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I will scan and try to post it now and I know you are not going to help me post the scan so I will try anyway.
 
quogueelectric said:
You are only questioning your own credibility so do what you do best.
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You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you. :D

A word of advice, lighten up, your embarrassment or what ever keeps you stuck on this is not getting you anywhere.

You were shown how GFCI's work in multiple threads and should be able to understand it, but regardless, don't expect us to just let you ramble on with out having some fun along the way, laugh with us or be miserable, it's your choice. :cool:

Roger
 
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