Does "thermally protected manual" count as overload protection?

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I'm running power to an Ingersoll Rand air compressor and was wondering if it needs overload protection. It has "thermally protected manual" on the motor nameplate. Oddly enough the motor HP isn't given but an Internet search says the motor is 3.7 HP 230 volt. I know overload protection would be nice but is it required by code?
 
Side note: "3.7HP" is one of those marketing BS tricks played by people selling consumer goods, I wouldn't get excited about that. Look for the legally required electrical specs, it will either be actual Watts (kW) or it might just be an "MCA" (Minimum Circuit Amps) possibly followed by an MOCP (Maximum Over Current Protection). The MCA is a more real number. A 3.7HP 230V single phase motor would in theory require a circuit based on 5HP, which means a 40A circuit at minimum. They wouldn't be able to sell it. More likely it is going to tell you it can be connected with a 20A circuit. That means is probably a 2HP motor.

How they get away with that is a study in "spin doctoring" (aka "alternative facts").

"HP" can be defined as a MOMENTARY value by simply using the word "develops" somewhere in the description. That means if they have a 2HP motor, the motor nameplate would have to be more truthful in order to be UL listed. 2HP means it will provide 6ft-lbs of torque at 1750RPM. But MOMENTARILY, that same motor can provide 200% of that torque value, if only for a few seconds. In the real world we call that Break Down Torque, which is a maximum the motor can deliver, but not without also pulling 200% current, which it CANNOT do indefinitely. That is a superfluous detail for the marketing dept. however. That 200%, or 12 ft-lbs of torque, would require the motor slips back to maybe 1650RPM, which can be calculated using the same standard formula the other direction as 3.77HP! They are NOT required to divulge that this will be incapable of delivering that CONTINUOUSLY, because they used the marketing term "develops", which is technically true, because it doesn't specify a time frame. :slaphead:
 
Thanks for your reply. I was really wondering why in the world the motor didn't have a HP on the nameplate. The nameplate on the motor says the motor FLA is 15.0 amps with a 1.0 SF. My next question is can I figure my MCA by multiplying 15 x 1.25? There is no MOP or MCA on the compressor tank nameplate. It says to "see motor" on the electrical section on the tank plate.
 
Thanks for your reply. I was really wondering why in the world the motor didn't have a HP on the nameplate. The nameplate on the motor says the motor FLA is 15.0 amps with a 1.0 SF. My next question is can I figure my MCA by multiplying 15 x 1.25? There is no MOP or MCA on the compressor tank nameplate. It says to "see motor" on the electrical section on the tank plate.
It's either a really crappy 2HP motor or a really efficient 3HP motor. From a code standpoint, assuming its the 3HP would be the safe bet, so 17A x 1.25 MCA.

Hmmm... 21.25A, vs 18.75A... I see your dilemma. I'd go the 15A route then, use a 20A circuit ampacity, then be prepared to argue the point with an AHJ based on it not showing a HP rating. But did you read the installation manual cover to cover?

Dug around a little for you, I-R is a little tight fisted with their data. The manual just says "See nameplate for ampacity". An FAQ for their "Power Mate" line (which I found by Googling I-R and 3.7HP) just says this:

Q: For my air compressor, what size circuit break do I need?

A: A circuit breaker is a vital safety mechanism for your home. It cuts the power when too much electrical current is flowing through the wiring, preventing fires and other electrical problems. We recommended the customer should double the amount of running amps. Single Stage Compressor: 20-30 amp. Two Stage Compressor: 40-50 amp.

Nice and vague...
 
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Well it's a used compressor which is why I struggled. There is no paperwork lol. But you inspired me to look for the whole compressor unit and not just the motor on the Internet and you are correct the motor is stated as 3HP when I found the compressor itself.

In further research the manual I found online said simply to consult the NEC and AHJ for wire and breaker size LOL! Talk about abdicated authority.... but knowing it's a 3HP motor I have the info I need.

As a side note on the Web page Ingersoll Rand promotes the air compressor on they do say no extra overload protection required :thumbsup: You guys are great!
 
This is very common when it comes to small air compressors. They used to sell a "5 HP" compressor that came with a 15 amp, 120 volt cord and plug. Jraef explains it perfectly - it's all in the marketing.

If you want to get an idea of the real motor size, look at the air delivery: as a rule of thumb, figure about 1 HP for each 4 or 5 CFM at 90 - 100 psi. Of course, the marketing guys have been known to fudge those numbers as well.


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In college I worked at Sears selling power tools. As I progressed in school, the things I was learning during the day started conflicting with what I saw on the bench power tools I was selling to people at night... Took me a while to figure it out.
 
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