Double pole with two neutrals

jared123

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I noticed some installers mistakenly pulled multiple neutrals for number of multi pole breakers.

Eg 2 pole breaker with two neutrals that required one. This was corrected but im wondering what effect it would have if a piece of equipment that got two neutrals joined together.

Im guessing it would make no difference albeit against code and professionalism.
 
Electrically, really no effect besides you have one-half as much voltage drop on the neutral.

Feeder neutrals are sometimes sized larger than ungrounded conductors (either through a larger wire size or parallel conductors) to carry high harmonic currents that may be present due to nonlinear loads (a common way this is specified is a "200% neutral"). In this case, it is possible that at times you may only have one load in use that is connected phase to neutral, essentially creating the same situation you describe, just on a feeder instead of a branch circuit.

It is really a waste of wire more than anything else, there is not really any practical difference. Especially since if you have equipment that requires a 2 pole breaker and a neutral, the majority of the current is often drawn phase to phase, and the neutral current is typically significantly lower. Although it is impossible to tell without knowing the specific equipment.

Code-wise you have an issue with 310.10(H)(1) if the paralleled conductors are smaller than 1/0.

You would also count both neutrals when counting current carrying conductors, which results in more than three current carrying conductors (since there are 4), so the adjustment factors of 310.15(B)(3)(a) would apply. Unless the neutrals are only carrying the unbalanced load of the ungrounded conductors (such as in 120/240 split phase), then they do not need to be counted (310.15(B)(5)(a)).
 
Eg 2 pole breaker with two neutrals that required one. This was corrected but im wondering what effect it would have if a piece of equipment that got two neutrals joined together.
If this is for a single load then you can only use one neutral.
 
They may not be for MWBC's, be sure they are not for 210.7 applications.
 
Since jared stated the second neutral was a mistake it likely isn't two branch circuits. However, hypothetically if it was for two individual branch circuits, and not a MWBC, I agree you could be using the 2 pole breaker for 210.7. Since a handle tie also satisfies the requirement, often two single poles would be better to use if the cost is lower (plus the common trip of the 2 pole may be undesirable).

Both neutrals would be permitted if terminated on the same yoke and not utilizing a MWBC.
I see it as 210.7 adds the requirement to use a 2 pole or a handle tie if both branch circuits are terminated on the sane yoke, not the other way around, that if you have a 2 pole for two separate circuits that they must be terminated on the same yoke.
 
that if you have a 2 pole for two separate circuits that they must be terminated on the same yoke
There is no requirement to have them land on the same yoke. You can use a multi-pole breaker for single pole circuits each with its own neutral. Might not be the best design but it is permitted to do so.
 
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