Drafting costs for electrical designs

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philly

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I was curious to hear from those involved in design engineering what they have found or estimated for drafting costs or percentages for the drafting support required for electrical design drawings?

I'm trying to get a better for this for design work supported by a drafter (not designer) and have found the percentages to vary depending on complexity of drawings/projects.

Does anyone have a good feel for what percentage of overall electrical design cost are required for drafting. Do these values account for a drafter only (not necessary any design knowledge) or a designer (experience with electrical design)?
 

publicgood

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What level of detail? Drafting conduits in Revit? Only 2D CAD? Clashing in Navis? Drawing elevations for device coordination with architects?
 

philly

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What level of detail? Drafting conduits in Revit? Only 2D CAD? Clashing in Navis? Drawing elevations for device coordination with architects?

Most projects are only electrical in nature for existing system upgrades so don't really have mechanical or arcitecetual elements. There is a small bit of civil work as necessary to support new equipment.

Most drawings are only 2D drawings, consisting of One-Lines, Site Plans, Floor Plans, Elevations, Schedules, etc....
 

drktmplr12

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Most projects are only electrical in nature for existing system upgrades so don't really have mechanical or arcitecetual elements. There is a small bit of civil work as necessary to support new equipment.

Most drawings are only 2D drawings, consisting of One-Lines, Site Plans, Floor Plans, Elevations, Schedules, etc....

Drafting work can vary. Time normally spent drafting will instead be time spent managing the drafting team, because they are not designers and have little cues as to what is being communicated on the drawings. As the purchaser of drafting services, consider defining a strict work flow, a folder/file structure that must be adhered to and CAD standards (layers, plot styles, line types, leaders, text height, etc) so that documents appear legible and professional. Legible drawings get less questions. Questions cost money to answer.

For example:

1. The engineering team will furnish requirements, border file, base files, sheet list, and sketches for each drawing.
2. The drafting team will take a first swing and provide a check set upon creating all layouts.
3. The engineering team will review and redline drawings and furnish to drafting team within X business days.
4. The drafting team will incorporate the comments exactly. Remember they are not designers.

I only point this out to show that while outsourcing CAD might be considered a way to cut costs, there will be coordination time spent by the engineer that offsets the savings. Might not be a big deal for smaller projects like HVAC or drive replacements, but this task should not be underestimated. The nice thing is once a working relationship is established, the work flow will become natural.

We have found the best result is when designers do the grunt work for the CAD and engineers finish it up. Whenever there is a strictly drafting firm involved in the bigger projects, there seem to be construct-ability issues that have a habit of appearing despite an engineer's best efforts to play dream catcher. I find many of these types of issues in the process of drafting because I am spending time thinking about (physically) what I am communicating to the contractor.
 

publicgood

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Drafting costs for electrical designs

A non knowledgeable (of electrical) drafter would bill out at about $40-45/hr. This considers about a 2.75 multiplier for overhead and administrative costs. If this was a knowledgeable electrical designer, $50-65/hr. A very knowledgeable designer may bill out more in the $100-150/hr range and only require final review and general oversight by the engineer responsible...or the senior designer may have a stamp for their home state.

It isn’t easy to say a percentage. It really depends on the working relationship between the engineer and drafter/designer. As they work together more, less front-end mark-up is needed.

For example an average 100kSF office building has lots of repeat layouts. In a central utility building, not so much.
 
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powersoft

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Drafting costs

Drafting costs

Big difference between a designer and drafter.
This is an open ended question. Your first hardest task is to get floor plans and CAD files, else you pay someone to draw them and to do that from scratch can be very costly, depending on how large the building is.
The most expensive part of any design is gathering information BEFORE you send it to any designer. Every piece of hvac equipment, plumbing and specialized equipment, casework elevations, sections, RCP, switching requirements and many more things that have to be known before a job is started. You may get a lot of questions that you wouldn't think would be asked if you have never done this before. I would charge double for for any unsent information because this causes many problems for me if I don't have it.
Then depending on the experience level of your designer, how long it takes them to finish placing and circuiting a floor plan. I can easily place and circuit a 8,000 square foot building in 4 days and write panel schedules with loads. The details and schedules can take longer because there is more careful work that has to go into it.
 
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