Dry type transformer set outdoors?

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At a facility there is currently a dry type transformer that was placed on an outdoor pad. I am curious if there is an acceptable method of weather protection aside from a complete enclosure?
 
I guess I did not look hard enough to determine a weather kit was installed now that it was mentioned. Is there a simple way to determine that? I seem to remember an angled vent type device near the top on previous transformers that blocks water from entering at the top vent?
 
I guess I did not look hard enough to determine a weather kit was installed now that it was mentioned. Is there a simple way to determine that? I seem to remember an angled vent type device near the top on previous transformers that blocks water from entering at the top vent?
That fits the bill for the transformer shields the manufacturer provided to make NEMA 1 a NEMA3R
 
I guess I did not look hard enough to determine a weather kit was installed now that it was mentioned. Is there a simple way to determine that? I seem to remember an angled vent type device near the top on previous transformers that blocks water from entering at the top vent?
It's like what you said, there is a little extension to the louvers at the top of the transformer kind of like a rain fly on a tent. You don't want to totally enclose your transformer like you mentioned in your OP, that wouldn't allow enough air flow. A full blown thunderstorm or spray down with a garden hose isn't going to hurt that transformer.
 
I guess I did not look hard enough to determine a weather kit was installed now that it was mentioned. Is there a simple way to determine that? I seem to remember an angled vent type device near the top on previous transformers that blocks water from entering at the top vent?
Somewhere on the enclosure it should say NEMA 3R
 
At a facility there is currently a dry type transformer that was placed on an outdoor pad. I am curious if there is an acceptable method of weather protection aside from a complete enclosure?
You know that a dry type transformer just means that the coils are not immersed in oil, right? Just checking...
 
You know that a dry type transformer just means that the coils are not immersed in oil, right? Just checking...
Yes, but was my understanding through another company that most dry types are typically rated for indoor use unless specifically weather guarded. Or at least the common isolation units we have around. That is probably not all that accurate, but I think the indoor units are always selected based on price. We have some others that have a specific sheltered roof over them, which I don't think, after this thread, is due to any code matter, but rather just providing additional protection.

It does sound like general weather guarding is all that is needed.

What has basically happened here is several transformers were installed and used indoors. Then in an effort to reduce noise and obstructions, some of these transformers were put on pads outdoors and does not appear weather provisions were made. I mean, they are certainly running and I am not in a race to "fix" it, but just assessing any potential concern for weather related damage. I was mostly inspecting to ensure there was no way rodents could get in, which we have had happen.
 
Yes, but was my understanding through another company that most dry types are typically rated for indoor use unless specifically weather guarded. Or at least the common isolation units we have around. That is probably not all that accurate, but I think the indoor units are always selected based on price. We have some others that have a specific sheltered roof over them, which I don't think, after this thread, is due to any code matter, but rather just providing additional protection.

It does sound like general weather guarding is all that is needed.

What has basically happened here is several transformers were installed and used indoors. Then in an effort to reduce noise and obstructions, some of these transformers were put on pads outdoors and does not appear weather provisions were made. I mean, they are certainly running and I am not in a race to "fix" it, but just assessing any potential concern for weather related damage. I was mostly inspecting to ensure there was no way rodents could get in, which we have had happen.
Rodents can get into many of them even if indoors, though many installations have pest control services or other reasons that the rodent possibility is much lesser than if outdoors.

If possible I'd try to go with encapsulated type transformer, they are usually N3R enclosed to begin with but those are typically limited to about 25 kVA and less for single phase maybe up to 30 kVA three phase?
 
I remember installing several 150kVA 480/208Y120V encapsulated transformers on a project, but I'm not sure of the brand--maybe Jefferson? They were in 3R enclosures.
 
Live and learn, this is the first time i ever heard of a dry type transformer installed on an out door pad. Never knew they could be weather proofed. What is the rated KVA. Even outdoor liquid filled pad mounted transformers get to have a covering provided over the top of them , to keep them cooler. Called good engineering judgement. And the covering is not expensive. If i was the owner i would be willing to pat for a sun roof ( weather shield. ) Nema 3R , really ? Do you think i am wrong ?
 
Do you think i am wrong ?
Yes. I couldn't even begin to guess how many thousands (maybe millions?) of dry-type transformers are installed outdoors in the US alone.

There are a variety of enclosure types for using them outdoors; I would think ventilated with a rain-shield is the most common non-encapsulated type. Good engineering judgement would be selecting the most economical transformer that meets customer requirements. For most low-voltage installations, its going to be dry-type.
 
PAD mounted at what max KVA ? and pole mounted, ok. I am more Industrial and little Commercial. And outdoor is liquid filled, fan cooled. Commercial indoor dry type 750 kva. 13,2 /480 - 277. or. 208 / 120. Just saying
 
PAD mounted at what max KVA ? and pole mounted, ok. I am more Industrial and little Commercial. And outdoor is liquid filled, fan cooled. Commercial indoor dry type 750 kva. 13,2 /480 - 277. or. 208 / 120. Just saying
Most your dry types are also LV on both sides like 480 primary and 208 secondary being one the most common. If MV is involved on at least one side they likely are liquid filled.
 
PAD mounted at what max KVA ? and pole mounted, ok. I am more Industrial and little Commercial. And outdoor is liquid filled, fan cooled. Commercial indoor dry type 750 kva. 13,2 /480 - 277. or. 208 / 120. Just saying
You can get dry type transformers in NEMA 3R enclosures, i.e., suitable for outdoor installation.
 
Most your dry types are also LV on both sides like 480 primary and 208 secondary being one the most common. If MV is involved on at least one side they likely are liquid filled.
Agree MV is usually pad mount liquid filled style, but dry types are available too:

 
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