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the hotel room, is this considered a dwelling without cooking?

stallcups illustrated 2005 code changes says Dwelling unit "purpose of change: to delete cooking as one of the "permanent provisions" for requirement".


am i reading this correctly??
 
210.18 was a new section to the 2005 NEC. This section was added to clarify that a hotel or motel room with permanent provisions for cooking shall have branch circuits and outlets installed to meet the rules for dwelling units.

So if a hotel room is not provided with permanent provisions for cooking the room is not a dwelling unit.

Chris
 
210.60 seems to break it out more saying the spacing requirement is nessacary and if permanent cooking, all requirements for cooking shall be followed for kitchen (cooking) area
 
scottysolar said:
210.60 seems to break it out more saying the spacing requirement is nessacary and if permanent cooking, all requirements for cooking shall be followed for kitchen (cooking) area
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210.60 requires that if the guest room has permanent provisions for cooking the room shall have receptacles installed in accordance with ALL the applicable rules of 210.52, not just those for a kitchen.

Chris
 
scottysolar said:
210.60 says shall have rec. installed to 21052a&d. if cooking all of 210.52
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Yes, all of 250.52 and all other rules that pertain to dwellings are also required. Thus the arc faults would also be required and any other dwelling rule.
 
scottysolar said:
the bedroom of a dwelling needs an arc fault breaker so the rule should apply to the guest room also
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Yes, that is what my post stated. Arc faults are required also.
 
i am showing my ignorence now guest room living area no permenant provisins for cooking you are required to have arc faults.
 
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i am showing my ignorence now guest room living area no permenant provisins for cooking you are required to have arc faults.
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No you are not. If there are no provision then the room is no longer following the dwelling rules. Arc fault is only required for dwellings or hotel rooms that meet the requirements of a dwelling.

A guest room will meet the requirements of a dwelling if there is permanent cooking provisions. If not then it is not a dwelling and none of the rules for dwelling apply.
 
If you were in CA under the greasy thumb of the DIR/DAS it would be considered a dwelling by what you are allowed to work in as a Resi-schmuck under their rules - but then again the CA DIR/DAS knows nothing about codes.....
 
lets talk away from the code why wouldnt these arc fault protectors be used for these spaces, it seems they would not be a bad thing.
 
scottysolar said:
lets talk away from the code why wouldnt these arc fault protectors be used for these spaces, it seems they would not be a bad thing.
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Whether or not AFCI protection is a good idea for a guest room without permanent provisions for cooking is a moot point, the code does not require it.

Chris
 
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