Effect of Solid State Starters on Monthly Billable Demand

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How will using a soilid state soft starter effect the monthly billable demand as metered by a revenue meter?

Are there different meter mechanisms used by utilities that would produce different billable demands?
 
Natfuelbilll said:
How will using a soilid state soft starter effect the monthly billable demand as metered by a revenue meter?
As I understand it, at least in my area, the demand charge is based on the highest 15 minutes of use during a billing month.

Natfuelbilll said:
Are there different meter mechanisms used by utilities that would produce different billable demands?
I would be inclined to ask your utility.
 
Natfuelbilll said:
How will using a soilid state soft starter effect the monthly billable demand as metered by a revenue meter?

Are there different meter mechanisms used by utilities that would produce different billable demands?
Utilities bill demand over a 15 or 30 minute period. That is, you pay a demand charge for the largest demad established over this time period. Using a starter
reduced the large inrush kva but it happens so fast that you may not see any difference in you billing.
 
If your load is such that a VFD is suitable, then you can save money. It is only loaded to the hp you need, not the full hp of the motor. Soft starts alone won't cut your bill any.

Utilities do use different mechanisms to measure demand. Some are electromechanical inside the meter, some are electronic inside the meter, and some meters generate pulses that utilize computers back at the main office to determine actual demand. These can produce different demand values by varying the duration of demand window, The narrower the window, the higher the demand measured.
The demand measurement on your bill is governed by the utilitiy's rate structure and does not vary with the type of meter used.

Jim T
 
jtester said:
If your load is such that a VFD is suitable, then you can save money. It is only loaded to the hp you need, not the full hp of the motor. Soft starts alone won't cut your bill any.

Soft starts won't cut your bill any. Generally, VFDs won't either, unless your application is such that you can use the VFD to reduce the HP actually being used. A VFD will help with your power factor, if that is a problem, but it does not magically reduce your energy usage.

For instance, in an HVAC application, you will use less energy if you move less air. Putting a VFD on the fan and running it at 50 Hz rather than 60 Hz will reduce the volume of air moved, thus taking less energy, and thus reduce your bill. But if you run it at 60 Hz, you will see no difference in the amount of energy used, so your bill will not change.
 
I agree with all of the above, it is a very common misconception of soft starters, often foisted by schlockey sleasmen who can't sell their product on other merits. I'd say it is probably over 99% of utilities that use the sliding demand window measurement method. Soft starting will not help in that case.

I once did a survey on behalf of a soft starter manufacturer of all the utilities I could find across the country, hunting for the ever elusive "instantaneous ratcheting demand meter". They do exist, usually only in small rural power coops that buy their power in bulk from other producers. In my search some 10+ years ago, I found only 11 in the entire country. Most of them that I checked on recently have stopped doing that in favor of the sliding window method, but there is still one in California that I know of, the Turlock Irrigation District. You turn on a motor, the red needle goes up and stays there until the meter reader resets it each month.

I should mention though that there are plenty of other very legitimate benefits to soft starting. Just not demand charge savings directly. But if by having a oft starter on a motor reduces the concern of and objection to restarting, users are often more inclined to turn un-used motors off. the cumulative effect of this is that power consumption is reduced, and so is the demand! I have done PLC control systems to reduce demand by cycling motors on and off without fear of motor damage because they had soft starters on them. Worked great!
 
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Soft Starts were not designed to save money on energy cost's. They are designed to start motors of all sizes to minimize starting current linear to speed and to protect mechanical equipment attached to the motor. I had a customer call one time about an air compressor. He said every time it started the lights would dim in the shop. It was only a 7.5 Hp. I installed a 7.5 SS in his starter panel. (removed electro/mechanical starter). Two years later his belts, pulleys and compressor are still like new. So we solved two problems with one device. ps.....the SS was less expensive than the starter was.
 
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