Effectiveness of lightning rods

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I have a client who is building a new house. His old house was struck by lightning and burned to the ground.

For the new house, he is very interested in having lightning rods installed, to prevent the same thing from happening again.

I have heard from some that a lightning rod system attracts more lightning, thus increasing chances of direct strikes.

I have also heard from others that they actually prevent strikes by draining the ions that build up in the atmosphere which cause lightning in the first place.

Can someone elaborate on the effectiveness of having a lightning rod system on a single dwelling? There are some trees in the yard, and the old house was burned down from an apparent strike on a tree that traveled down to the ground, and cut across the yard, then into the basement area where the fire started.

(FYI the offending tree has been removed on orders of the lady of the property.)
 
I have a client who is building a new house. His old house was struck by lightning and burned to the ground.

For the new house, he is very interested in having lightning rods installed, to prevent the same thing from happening again.

From a liability stand point unless you have the training and UL certificate for installations of LPS systems I would not be trying to install LPS systems, there is allot of things to know and how to do them, this is not like our house wiring and is a very special field of expertize

I have heard from some that a lightning rod system attracts more lightning, thus increasing chances of direct strikes.

A Very untrue Myth, lightning strikes some things because it was in the path it was going to take anyways, it wasn't attracted by it, it just took that path because it offered a lower impedance in the path it was already taking, air planes are struck not because they attracted the lightning but because the path they flew was in the same path the lightning was taking on its way to the Earth, think of it this way, you have a storm moving along the ground, it might be a few miles away, as it is moving over the ground it is building up the electrons, when the electrons are at the point of break down in the air, it releases this energy in the stroke, where it will hit is the fact that this storm had moved over this area and the electrons had reached its peak over this point of where it hit, it was going to release it no matter what, so the lightning rod just happened to be a little better path then through the structure, if it wasn't there it most likely would have hit the structure, so in essences, it really didn't attract the lightning it just gave it a lower impedance path to the Earth.

I have also heard from others that they actually prevent strikes by draining the ions that build up in the atmosphere which cause lightning in the first place.

Nope another Myth, the Ions only build up because of the excess electrons building up in the cloud, the Ions do not stop building because of something that is connected to Earth, it is this difference of potential of electrons between the clouds and Earth that cause the Ion stream till the break down voltage reaches its peak then the lightning flashes over to Earth or up to the cloud (in a positive strike) as long as the cloud has a charge there will be a Ion stream below it as a mirror to it. Keep in mind in both the above questions, the distance between the point of the cloud and Earth can be thousands of feet, and a lightning rod only a few feet off the ground will not change the area of where it will hit, but it is only a hope the lightning rod will give it a better path for these last few feet, there are many cases and photos of when they don't, and for this reason installing LPS systems caries a high liability with it, liability insurance can be very high for doing this kind of work.

Can someone elaborate on the effectiveness of having a lightning rod system on a single dwelling? There are some trees in the yard, and the old house was burned down from an apparent strike on a tree that traveled down to the ground, and cut across the yard, then into the basement area where the fire started.

It's funny that the tree was removed, if it was in a condition to survive it might have been better to keep it, unless it was very close to the house, lightning will not travel very far in th Earth before dissipating, many believe that it will travel hundreds of feet to do damage in a house when in real life this is not true as what they experience was what is called a LEMP or a lightning electro magnetic pulse, if strong enough it can cause strong currents to be induced into the wiring of houses and network, cable, and phone loops.

it was recognized many years ago that trees can offer one of the best protection from lightning strikes as they are a natural ground rod because of the many branches of varying lengths that tend to give lightning a low impedance path, but if they are too close to a house then the magnetic pulse can still cause damage as it can even with a properly installed LPS system.

Blue spruce is one of the most used trees used in lightning protection systems and are very expensive to install.

(FYI the offending tree has been removed on orders of the lady of the property.)

Like I said above the tree took the hit because it was there not because it attracted the lightning, now the next strike can hit the house directly, with the above said there is much more then I can put into one post, and knowledge about lightning is still in the evaluation stages and there is much more to be learned, but like I said, if you are not UL certified to do LPS systems then do not put you or your company in the liability loop, because the house will be hit again, its just a matter of when, if it does and it burns down they will be looking at you and your company, I would tell them to look for a UL certified LPS installation company who specializes in LPS systems.
 
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First of all, I must say that I am NOT planning to install the lightning rods myself. I recognize the liability issue. I am NOT asking for DIY advice. I am asking about the effectiveness and feasibility of having lightning rods, VS not having them.

I am the electrician on this job. I am the one that the client goes to for information and advice. I have already directed the job superintendent to hire a separate contractor for the lightning rod system, someone who has the credentials you have mentioned. It ain't going to be cheap, either.

But since I am the electrician on the job, to begin with, I have installed an extensive grounding system consisting of a UFER loop completely encircling the entire foundation. We used #2 solid copper wire, and bonded it to the rebar in multiple places. A tail on one end emerges at the main service pedestal, and another tail emerges at the standby generator location. 6 copper-weld ground rods were driven all around the bottom of the footers, with the #2 loop being exothermically welded to them as it passed by.

We also installed an outer "halo" loop between the remaining trees and the house, should one of those attract a similar strike, if it attempts to trench over to the house like the previous strike did. The outer halo is connected to the foundation UFER at several places as well.

I believe that any grounding rods that the lightning rod folks install must be bonded to the grounding system that we installed. We have left a couple of tails sticking up for this purpose.

Cutting down the offending tree was more of an emotional issue for the lady. She did not want to see that tree anymore as they lost everything as a result of that lightning strike.
 
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Great info from both parties. I have done at least a dozen or so lightning related service calls recently her is off top of my head list of discoverys.

Job 1. 2 broken tv cable boxes , 2 tvs , 1 phone system, 1 plug in Co detector, 1 irrigation sprinkler control system fuse black I dont know if landscaper put new one in or changed fuse. and this is weird a cracked cover plate on receptacle with a small burn mark on edge of yoke. Also on the corner of an air register placed right next to the receptacle was a burn mark so I think a portion of the strike jumped the gap bout 1 1/2 inches. Other odd thing no Gfi were broke or tripped. which I usually find. She asked for a whole house surge protector I told her it would not help.

Job 2. 2 tripped breakers 2 broken Gfci receptacles. phones dont work. probably blew some connection phone company fixed that.

Job 3 1 tripped gfi. it was old so I replaced it and another old one that did not have a problem. 1 tripped when lightning happened im out there I would swap if it was new.

Job 4. Broken garage door opener. 2 Cars that will not start bolt hit base of tree where root is it went through this tree to hit the root 3 feet away from the tree. So it hit the ground 6-8 feet away from 2 cars and they needed new altenators. Also A resister inside a nutone exhaust hood was exploded and shorting on the hood enclosure and tripping the breaker. was not preexisting. I replaced the resister it took a while to get that.

During these jobs people expect an explanation. So I try to imagine Im lighting and explain it. I am guilty of saying it probably hit up the street at the pole and traveled to there house think thats possible. I may have said it comes in through the ground rods a few times though. I Think the point I am making without being an expert is Lightning can do anything it feels like doing. And no matter what you do to prevent it lighting protection is not and end all solution to the dangers and inconviences that come along with lighting. Its one of the handful of Electrical installations that can be installed perfectly and still kill and burn houses down.

Unplug unlplug unplug. watch weather unplug.
 
...Unplug unlplug unplug. watch weather unplug.

Would not have done any good in this case. Lightning struck a nearby tree (over 25 feet away from the house), dug its own trench over to the house, and then entered into the basement/crawl space area where it set the place on fire. Burned to the ground, everything total loss.

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