Electical Engineering?

[wannabe]

Are there any blueprint people out there who take in account of multi-wire derte ,when they designate their circuit numbers?A-phase on east side,B and some of C on the west.Ha ha just venting

 

[ron]

Re: Electical Engineering?

I take care of your concern by not permitting any multi wire branch circuits.

[ March 23, 2005, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: ron ]

 

[peter d]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Originally posted by ron:
I take care of your concern by not permitting any multi wire branch circuits.

Please explain why you forbid a very efficient branch circuit that conserves labor and natural resources.

 

[iwire]

Re: Electical Engineering?

As long as the specifications allow multiwire branch circuits I just reassign the circuit numbers to my liking.

Then these changes are reflected on the as builts (I mean record drawings )

Sorry to the engineers but this is standard practice around here and many of the prints I receive have a note that says I may change the circuit numbers as necessary.

[ March 23, 2005, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]

 

[roger]

Re: Electical Engineering?

I must also ask, Ron, why do you not allow MWBC's are you one of those EE"s with no respect for conservation?

Roger

 

[ron]

Re: Electical Engineering?

I have come to the realization, multi wire or not, no EC follows my panel schedules anyway , unless I have delineated them a certain way for redundancy.
Unless these are general lighting circuits, I don't permit multi wire branch circuits due to the unknown future of power distribution and flexibility for other distribution options for equipment or receptacle branch circuits. I realize that I walk on shaky ground here, but the clients I work with like it that way.

Roger, unfortunately I don't think about conservation too much. Most locations I design, run between 30 and the designed 100 watts/ square foot with multiple redundant distribution paths and transformers.

[ March 23, 2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: ron ]

 

[iwire]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Originally posted by ron:
I have come to the realization, multi wire or not, no EC follows my panel schedules anyway ,

I am shocked.

 

[steve66]

Re: Electical Engineering?

I have come to the realization, multi wire or not, no EC follows my panel schedules anyway

I've noticed it often starts with the panelboard manufacturer. They don't put the breakers in the panel where I show them. So unless the EC wants to take out all the breakers just to rearrange them....


Steve

 

[physis]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Ron, I'm amazed to see that you've come away from that post with barely even any incidental damage. I thought I was gonna have to cover my eyes.

 

[ron]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Me too

 

[wannabe]

Re: Electical Engineering?

I too re configure my panel schedules.I was just letting off a little steam.Thank you for your responses!

 

[roger]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Sam and Ron, it is simply a time for "kinder and gentler" forum.

Don't worry though,it won't last long

Roger

 

[physis]

Re: Electical Engineering?

A place where we can all agree, be supportive of one another, resolve our differences with an open mind and in the spirit of fairness and acceptance. A place where we can put the needs of others before our own.

Yeah, this wont last long.

 

[jimwalker]

Re: Electical Engineering?

"I've noticed it often starts with the panelboard manufacturer. They don't put the breakers in the panel where I show them. So unless the EC wants to take out all the breakers just to rearrange them...."

We re arange them and bill the panel company.Spent almost an hour last week because they had every breaker wrong.Either we fix panel or the as built.We will change schedule if we meet a problem like 2 circuits on same phase sharing neutral,but try to follow the print as far as we can.

 

[iwire]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Originally posted by physis:
Ron, I'm amazed to see that you've come away from that post with barely even any incidental damage. I thought I was gonna have to cover my eyes.

I will tell you why I did not hammer Ron on this as I have so many times in the past with others.

Bob

[ March 26, 2005, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]

 

[ron]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Bob,
Thanks for the tactical air support

 

[iwire]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Originally posted by ron:
Bob,
Thanks for the tactical air support

Bob

 

[physis]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Yeah, I'm getting a little concerned Bob, that's twice in a week now.

 

[peter d]

Re: Electical Engineering?

Originally posted by iwire:
I just had to let Sam, Roger and Peter know I have not had a complete turnaround on my use of multiwire branch circuits.

That's good to know. I thought you may have crossed over to "the other side."