Electrified fence

Status
Not open for further replies.

billsims

Member
Location
Alabama
Mike,
Recently we were called to a sportsplex about complaints of chain link fence shocking people. At first I thought that this was impossible, here we have multiple fence post buried in the ground every 10' apart , and a wet soil also. On arrival I placed 1 probe to fence and 1 to earth....there it was 100VAC to ground.
We then thought that one of the post must be in direct contact with a live wire. We proceeded to locate circuit by turning off individual light circuits to field lights and found the circuit that was causing problem. The circuit was feeding 3 80' lighting poles each with 2 separate circuits for lighting 2 separate ball fields. To make a long story shorter, eventually one of my employees leaned on one of the concrete light poles,and after a few unmentionable words informed me that the pole live. The pole has metal climbing inserts encased in concrete and all metal common to each other. The pole is buried 15' in the ground making it what I considered a good rod.
Upon placing probe to earth and metal on pole I read 277V. I placed a 2/0 insulated wire to metal and it would draw an arch to ground.
I disconnected the 3 phase at the base of pole and turned circuits back on, all was clear. We disconnected the circuit at top of pole and found that problem is shorted wiring in pole.
Question is: Why was this much voltage getting to fence which was 10' away?
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Massachusetts
Re: Electrified fence

Originally posted by billsims:
Question is: Why was this much voltage getting to fence which was 10' away?
IMO The fence was really not live, the ground you where standing on was live.

[ September 09, 2005, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 

bphgravity

Senior Member
Location
Florida
Re: Electrified fence

It sounds to me there is not an effective fault path that all non-current carrying mental parts have been bonded to. (EGC) That being said, earth is acting as a return path and so is the fence. The total impedance is too high to allow sufficient current to open the overcurrent device, but plenty enough current to cause electric shock to people. This is a very hazardous situation that needs correcting or someone will be killed.
 

charlie b

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Lockport, IL
Occupation
Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
Re: Electrified fence

I think Bob is right. There were two paths for current flow from the "bad" light. One path was from the source to the light bulb, and back to the source, and this is the path that normally turns on the light. The other path was from the source, to the fault point, down the metal portions of the pole and into the dirt, along the dirt to the ground rod associated with the source, up that ground rod to the N_G bond point, and thus back to the source.

In this second path, there will be a voltage drop along the dirt. If you stand some short distance from a fence, and touch the fence with your hand, then there will be some amount of voltage drop between the point (within the dirt) that the fence is buried and the point (within the dirt) on which your feet are planted. That voltage drop will drive current through your body, and will drive unmentionable words out of your mouth. ;)
 

69boss302

Senior Member
Re: Electrified fence

I hate to make a joke on this thread but I just can't resist.
Just which MENTAL :D parts do we bond Bryan.
Originally posted by bphgravity:
all non-current carrying mental parts have been bonded to.
OK, OK, I've seen at least 2 threads where a death has occurred due to someone touching either an energized pole or a child that touched a fence, there was even one about a park bench I believe.

This is a very dangerous situation and it needs to be addressed. There could very easily be someone that leans against said fence or pole and doesn't get the opportunity to let any profound words come out of his mouth.
 

dillon3c

Senior Member
Re: Electrified fence

In situation just such as this,I rely on my trusty "plastic anchor kit"..Believing I'll get the same desired effect. :D
 

augie47

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Tennessee
Occupation
State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
Re: Electrified fence

Your Cadweld concrete connection kit ? :)
Billsims,
I missed in the posting..is there an equipment grounding conductor installed to the poles ?
I've encountered similar situations where the only "ground" was the pole itself or a ground road at the pole

[ September 09, 2005, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: augie47 ]
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top