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EMT coupling

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perturbed

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the house I'm in was renovated in 2018 before i bought it. There's a short vertical piece of EMT mounted to a block wall that ends in a switch box. There's a combination coupling at the top of the EMT, which leaves about 2 inches of romex exposed between the coupling and drywall ceiling. I'm assuming the EMT is to protect the romex. Shouldn't the EMT have gone all the way through the ceiling or does the coupling have to be visible?
 

infinity

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We'll allow this since it is not a DIY question. The question is will the 2" of NM cable be subject to damage all the way up near the top of the wall? IMO it will not be subject to damage so it can be exposed. I don't see a code section that would require the transition to be exposed.
 

petersonra

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the house I'm in was renovated in 2018 before i bought it. There's a short vertical piece of EMT mounted to a block wall that ends in a switch box. There's a combination coupling at the top of the EMT, which leaves about 2 inches of romex exposed between the coupling and drywall ceiling. I'm assuming the EMT is to protect the romex. Shouldn't the EMT have gone all the way through the ceiling or does the coupling have to be visible?
The EMT is there to protect the Romex from damage, not to act as a raceway. There is probably some local legend about the zone of required protection stopping at some height.
 

LarryFine

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It sounds like a sleeve with a connector on the end to protect the cable. The end may be exposed or hidden.
 

perturbed

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thanks for allowing the post and the replies. i agree there is little chance of damage to the romex up near the ceiling, although without clear rules i guess there is room for interpretation. running the EMT through the ceiling would have been a cleaner look, so maybe the electrician left the clamp exposed so you wouldn't have to poke a hole in the ceiling to get to it
 
Some jurisdictions are ridiculous with Romex and physical damage. For example the city of Seattle does not allow exposed Romex. They won't even allow it like for under cabinet lights when strapped up neatly and in the corner. Apparently zero critical thinking goes on about how it would actually get damaged in these situations.
 

letgomywago

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Given the very thin jacket on modern NM, I am sure that if I were inspecting, I would be requiring NM to be protected in a lot more locations now than I would have 30 years ago.
Even aluminum mc is soft compared to that era. I'd say new romex and new mc are comparable. How do you feel about UF or SER say in an island for stove and some outlets? Would strapped to cabinet panel then hitting box suffice for you?
 
I think it is because it is allowed in places NM is not. It seems to me like it is not that much safer but it is allowed.
I suspect all these requirements were not based on any data, studies, or statistics. For example take places of assembly. No NM. Okay so I guess the implication is MC is safer than NM. Shouldnt we require MC in dwellings then? ( And then we could get into afci's, why no afci's in places of assembly then?).
 

don_resqcapt19

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Even aluminum mc is soft compared to that era. I'd say new romex and new mc are comparable. How do you feel about UF or SER say in an island for stove and some outlets? Would strapped to cabinet panel then hitting box suffice for you?
It depends in the cabinet design and exactly where the cable is installed...maybe even on what the intended use of the cabinet is...I think in some cases I would want to see physical protection for within the cabinet..maybe a running board the thickness of the cable with the cable on the back side of the running board.
 

don_resqcapt19

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I suspect all these requirements were not based on any data, studies, or statistics. For example take places of assembly. No NM. Okay so I guess the implication is MC is safer than NM. Shouldnt we require MC in dwellings then? ( And then we could get into afci's, why no afci's in places of assembly then?).
NM is safer than MC only in the amount of toxic gasses when the cables are involved in fire. Not sure that really makes any difference in an occupancy any more as the amount of toxic gasses from the building finishes and furnishings under fire conditions will far exceed that from the wiring methods.

As far as AFCIs, you don't sleep in a place of assembly.
EDIT: I posted this backwards...the first part should have said "MC is is safer than NM..."
 
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As far as AFCIs, you don't sleep in a place of assembly.
I find that reasoning to be nonsense. So we can just let places of assembly burn because no one is sleeping there? There are countless examples of horrible fires with many deaths in occupancies where no one was sleeping.

I agree there would be less plastics in MC compared to NM but that the effect is probably miniscule compared to the rest of the things that would be burning. Do you know Is the released gases and smoke the original reasoning for the wire wiring methods chosen in places of assembly, and not because they were thought to be safer otherwise?
 
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