Eng. spec'd all steel boxes on multi-family??

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brantmacga said:
I'll give a recap of my conversation with the GC....

A lot of this job is over-engineered I'm told; other trades are calling with the same responses.

The GC is wanting to show the owner, who they've built other facilities for, just how much extra money the arch/eng is trying to have them spend.

I was told bid it to spec, then bid it to code.


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Did you mean "Bid it to spec, then build it to code"?
 
peter d said:
Not really related but how do you handle an 88 unit apartment? Do you hire temp workers?
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Myself and a helper did all the v/d/v in hotels 65-140 rooms. You might need a few extra pairs of hands for the electrical of an apt, but considering how much time you have, and that the EC is there start to finish, two guys could probably wire one start to finish.
 
cdslotz said:
Plus the EE would never go for that.....
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Engineers and architects work for the owner; if the owner says, "I don't want to pay for this if it isn't necessary", then the EE changes the specs or they find someone else who will.


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peter d said:
Not really related but how do you handle an 88 unit apartment? Do you hire temp workers?
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These days I always bid jobs with some temp labor included. On a job like this, drilling holes, carrying material, pulling romex, etc.... are tasks easily handled by temp labor.

We also have a pre-fab shop going, and I've been using my custom residential work to experiment for multi-family work. I have a large custom residential job that starts in a couple of weeks and I've already pre-fabbed 90% of the devices. Everything gets labeled, and I drew a custom set a plans where each device type is numbered, and circuits are laid out on paper.

I have some previous posts on the pre-fab work here. As for getting it all there, we got some large produce bins that are loaded up with a forklift. So I have a giant bin of receptacle boxes with cables already installed, another of overhead lighting, switches, etc....

I've also started pre-fabbing devises similar to plug-tail devices, but much less expensive due to lower labor.

It's basically follow-the-numbers on the plans for the install. I'm using Bluebeam to create custom drawings.

All of the pre-fab work so far has been for commercial work; MC cable and even EMT installs. We palletize and shrink wrap all of the fixtures and loose material, and then load the pre fab stuff in the bins and haul it to the job.


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The price difference ended up being surprisingly negligible at 5% of the total job cost.


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brantmacga said:
The price difference ended up being surprisingly negligible at 5% of the total job cost.


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I would not have expected that. On the other hand, when I was a fire alarm tech, my boss wasn't inclined to be over-watchful of the wire we were using. "Wire's cheap, labor is expensive" he would say.
 
brantmacga said:
I'll give a recap of my conversation with the GC....

A lot of this job is over-engineered I'm told; other trades are calling with the same responses.

The GC is wanting to show the owner, who they've built other facilities for, just how much extra money the arch/eng is trying to have them spend.

I was told bid it to spec, then bid it to code.


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I assume you mean bid to spec, build to code
the enineer would be remiss if that was not flagged during submittal review
I would request a fair credit CO, or build to spec
what you propose may be fraud, likely civil, perhaps criminal if you hid it and conspired to do it and the gc shared in the $ difference

submit an rfi, to the owner/engineer, NOT the gc

and engineers fees are not a % of construction costs
what kind of owner would go for that?
where is the incentive for an economic design?
fees are negotiated up front, not after the bid
 
Ingenieur said:
I assume you mean bid to spec, build to code
the enineer would be remiss if that was not flagged during submittal review
I would request a fair credit CO, or build to spec
what you propose may be fraud, likely civil, perhaps criminal if you hid it and conspired to do it and the gc shared in the $ difference

submit an rfi, to the owner/engineer, NOT the gc

and engineers fees are not a % of construction costs
what kind of owner would go for that?
where is the incentive for an economic design?
fees are negotiated up front, not after the bid
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You and JFletcher have the same reading problem. :roll:
 
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