Estimated cost for coordination using BIM
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You first need to know what program they are going to use. If you don't have the program you need to decide if you are going to charge the cost of the entire program to that job or consider it overhead. If you don't have the program you need to know what requirements the computer needs that would run it. You may need a $5,000 computer to run the program. Again it would be up to you if you count that as overhead or job charge. If you don't have the program you have the issue of no one in your organization knowing the program and learning it. You can outsourse this to people that is not uncommon.
Short answer - for a hospital 100,000-250,000 sf I see people putting in around $10,000 if they are already set up with the system.
Short answer - for a hospital 100,000-250,000 sf I see people putting in around $10,000 if they are already set up with the system.
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Jeff, we have all of the required hardware/software for the project. I am more concerned with how many manhours to include for the actual coordination using BIM. I know it takes a long time to input content but don't know if it is longer or shorter than the 2D process. I'm finding it dificult to quantify.
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Jeff, we have all of the required hardware/software for the project. I am more concerned with how many manhours to include for the actual coordination using BIM. I know it takes a long time to input content but don't know if it is longer or shorter than the 2D process. I'm finding it dificult to quantify.
Fulthrotl
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assuming autocad revit... my electrical engineer is just getting into
that.. he's been doing 2d acad since shortly after the dawn of time.
judging by the muttering, there is a pretty brutal learning curve,
as with most autodesk products.
as for revit, it'll run nicely on the laptop i am typing this on...
i-7 processor, 6 gig of ram will get it done. not a huge capital
expense. revit is not currently available for the mac... acad 2012
is, at $4k per station, but there isn't enough demand for revit.
if ya think about it, it's a fundamentally different process than 2d,
and where a lot of stuff is just tossed on the paper and then field
engineered, you can see where everything has to be thought out.
you can't show a rack of home runs, you have to virtually install it
in a matrix of data... no little curlicue with a arrow pointing off into
the distance.
if it's a hospital, my last experience with OSHPOD was painless,
'cause i was fortunate enough to be the one drawing the fire life
system, and i drew it the way i wanted to pipe it, so in effect,
my asbuilts became the contract drawings.
the oshpod inspector on that job required each junction box on the
drawing to be where it was drawn. it had to be piped as drawn.
i did field engineering for a large hospital in calif... electrical was 60M,
a while ago, and while drawing was done in 2d, the coordination meetings
weekly were done in 3d, and we had stuff in the hallways running within
an inch of each other. standing lock seams on duct work were figured in.
it was that bad.
maybe someone with hands on can give you some good numbers, but
i'd double the drawing hours, and i don't think that would be enough.
just my nickels worth.
edit: left a message for a friend who owns a pretty good sized commercial
plumbing shop, and has been in revit for a while... i'll see if he has any
idea of time factors......
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Fulthrotl
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just got off the phone with him.....
good guy, successful businessman.
40 man shop.. schools and hospitals, etc.
12% ~ 15% of his field labor is set aside for coordination in revit.
he subs it out, and the guy who is doing it is having it done in
vietnam.
it's still above 12% of his field labor.
It pays for itself
It pays for itself
It pays for itself. If done correctly by someone who has experience and understands the fabrication, transportation and installation process. Someone who understands how to detail and someone who has had hands on experience not someone who simply can use detailing software. Effective MEP coordination requires recalling and integrated knowledge regarding design, construction, operations, and maintenance of each MEP system. Sheet metal contractors have been doing B.I.M. since the early 80s because it pays to do so.
It pays for itself
It pays for itself. If done correctly by someone who has experience and understands the fabrication, transportation and installation process. Someone who understands how to detail and someone who has had hands on experience not someone who simply can use detailing software. Effective MEP coordination requires recalling and integrated knowledge regarding design, construction, operations, and maintenance of each MEP system. Sheet metal contractors have been doing B.I.M. since the early 80s because it pays to do so.
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