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gsurace

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Can anyone recommend a good company that provides material takeoff and cost estimating for commercial electrical work? I am a smaller company and on the commercial side, do mostly service work and smaller new construction such as retail space build outs (1000-2000 sq ft). I'm getting more opportunities for larger retail and new restaurants which have more unique installations and want to proceed with care.
 
I've seen books at Barns and Noble. Even Dewalt has one on electrical estimating. We are all unique. Each of our companies have there own template that will need to be factored in. Your local supply house can help, too.
 
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Not something I've seen discussed here in a long time. I know there are services advertised online. I couldn't give you any recommendations other than to look for one with experience in your segment.

What restaurants are you looking to bid?


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People are making a living just doing takeoffs? I am definitely doing something wrong.

Google search electrical estimating services.

I've never really looked into it, but it could probably be cost-effective. Some of the projects I bid easily run into a couple thousand dollars of labor time. I'd say on average I've got $500 of labor in most bids.


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Don't forget that the quality of product you get back is only as good as the information you provide. The tighter the specs and drawings the more accurate the takeoff will be. If you get a napkin from the client don't expect spun gold from the estimator.
 
A contractor I worked for used one of these services. I know that on one job I was on a couple years ago (30-something floors of apartments) they somehow managed to miss the MI. According to the GF, and I heard all this from him directly about 6 months after the job was finished, the contractor had to eat it all.
 
A contractor I worked for used one of these services. I know that on one job I was on a couple years ago (30-something floors of apartments) they somehow managed to miss the MI. According to the GF, and I heard all this from him directly about 6 months after the job was finished, the contractor had to eat it all.

Depending on the extent of the "miss", that could easily bankrupt you. A job that large should have required submittals from the contractor before proceeding. Is that where they caught it?
 
A contractor I worked for used one of these services. I know that on one job I was on a couple years ago (30-something floors of apartments) they somehow managed to miss the MI. According to the GF, and I heard all this from him directly about 6 months after the job was finished, the contractor had to eat it all.

Sounds pretty nuts to not review the take-off in-house, especially on something of that scope.



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Depending on the extent of the "miss", that could easily bankrupt you. A job that large should have required submittals from the contractor before proceeding. Is that where they caught it?


I was told it was 6 figures. In his words, it "was a loser before we started." The whole job became damage control for him. Not sure when they caught it.
 
Sounds pretty nuts to not review the take-off in-house, especially on something of that scope.


Yeah, no kidding. I was with that shop for a few years and saw 4 projects that size, one after the other. They pretty consistently have one large job going at a time, with a couple months overlap as one winds down and the next gears up. Considering that, I couldn't believe how "seat of the pants" it all felt. No idea how they ever made money, but obviously they did.
 
Can anyone recommend a good company that provides material takeoff and cost estimating for commercial electrical work? I am a smaller company and on the commercial side, do mostly service work and smaller new construction such as retail space build outs (1000-2000 sq ft). I'm getting more opportunities for larger retail and new restaurants which have more unique installations and want to proceed with care.

Estimating services have been around for a long time. They are usually used by contractors that are too busy for their estimators to get to it. So it's no different for the contractor to pay thousands to a service, because they would otherwise pay their own estimators.
When the estimate is delivered to the contractor, it's up to the contractor to verify it's accuracy, add quotes, expenses, and apply markup. The accuracy is verified by ESTIMATORS.

....if you can't estimate, how are you going to verify it's accuracy?
....why pay for an estimate on such small jobs (1000/2000 sq/ft)?

If you are "moving" into larger projects, learn to estimate first. If you can't estimate, you can't verify accuracy of ANY estimate, whether you get a service or hire your own estimator...
 
A contractor I worked for used one of these services. I know that on one job I was on a couple years ago (30-something floors of apartments) they somehow managed to miss the MI. According to the GF, and I heard all this from him directly about 6 months after the job was finished, the contractor had to eat it all.

What does MI stand for?
 
Can anyone recommend a good company that provides material takeoff and cost estimating for commercial electrical work? I am a smaller company and on the commercial side, do mostly service work and smaller new construction such as retail space build outs (1000-2000 sq ft). I'm getting more opportunities for larger retail and new restaurants which have more unique installations and want to proceed with care.

you don't say where you contract at. it's a huge piece of the puzzle.

if it's california, you have T24 to contend with. prints aren't always compliant,
engineers sometimes don't blow the whistle correctly and letting your
wholesale house bid the lighting package without you CAREFULLY reviewing,
and understanding what you are doing, will not turn out well.

i recently watched a pretty good contractor flush $125,000 down the drain
on a 7,000 sq, ft. remodel here. it wasn't even a big error. just a small oopsie
in how he approached daylight harvesting.

big oopsies are accidentally putting 800 2x4 fixtures in a ceiling, not noticing
there was a mistake of a single digit in the part number. they put in fixtures
that were not specified in the print. it never even made it to lighting certification.
contractor called two days ago, canceling the certification. building inspector caught
it after the lights were wired when they called for ceiling inspection.

"blowing the bid" is the single largest cause of contractor death.
i'd never let someone bid something for me more than a couple days work.
 
big oopsies are accidentally putting 800 2x4 fixtures in a ceiling, not noticing
there was a mistake of a single digit in the part number. they put in fixtures
that were not specified in the print.

Was this single digit error specified and scheduled, or did the EC make the error when ordering?
Where were the approved shop drawings? Everyone in the chain, including the EC, distributor, EE, GC, Architect, have an approved copy.
 
you don't say where you contract at. it's a huge piece of the puzzle.

if it's california, you have T24 to contend with. prints aren't always compliant,
engineers sometimes don't blow the whistle correctly and letting your
wholesale house bid the lighting package without you CAREFULLY reviewing,
and understanding what you are doing, will not turn out well.

i recently watched a pretty good contractor flush $125,000 down the drain
on a 7,000 sq, ft. remodel here. it wasn't even a big error. just a small oopsie
in how he approached daylight harvesting.

big oopsies are accidentally putting 800 2x4 fixtures in a ceiling, not noticing
there was a mistake of a single digit in the part number. they put in fixtures
that were not specified in the print. it never even made it to lighting certification.
contractor called two days ago, canceling the certification. building inspector caught
it after the lights were wired when they called for ceiling inspection.

"blowing the bid" is the single largest cause of contractor death.
i'd never let someone bid something for me more than a couple days work.

they didn't have to submit the fixtures for approval prior to install?
 
Was this single digit error specified and scheduled, or did the EC make the error when ordering?
Where were the approved shop drawings? Everyone in the chain, including the EC, distributor, EE, GC, Architect, have an approved copy.

wholesale house blew it. fixtures came out, sparkies
on site were in too big a hurry, as the fixtures were three
weeks late, to check the box label against the fixture schedule.

it's still fugly. job late, liquidated damages, etc.

they modified the drawings and are resubmitting into
plan check. expedited, premium fee plan check.
cheap at four times the price.
 
wholesale house blew it. fixtures came out, sparkies
on site were in too big a hurry, as the fixtures were three
weeks late, to check the box label against the fixture schedule.

it's still fugly. job late, liquidated damages, etc.

they modified the drawings and are resubmitting into
plan check. expedited, premium fee plan check.
cheap at four times the price.

That's not on the EC....(well, contractually it is) but the distributor is at fault.
I've had situations like this, and the EC and distributor have to work this out between them
 
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