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Hi Everyone,

I need some help here. I'm about to install 70 EV chargers and realized these pedestals are not UL listed. I would like to splice into these pedestals because the space inside is nearly 4" wide. Some of these pedestals have three charging port which require 2 conductors and two data cable per port. I can't imagine installing a bell box witbout exceding my box fill. My question is, is it against NEC code to splice in an enclosure even though it's not UL listed?

Thank you

Robert
 
rocknrolla said:
Hi Everyone,

I need some help here. I'm about to install 70 EV chargers and realized these pedestals are not UL listed. I would like to splice into these pedestals because the space inside is nearly 4" wide. Some of these pedestals have three charging port which require 2 conductors and two data cable per port. I can't imagine installing a bell box witbout exceding my box fill. My question is, is it against NEC code to splice in an enclosure even though it's not UL listed?

Thank you

Robert
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Could you please list your general location in your profile so we know how to respond. Doesn't have to be your exact city but State would be helpful. Beernuts10 is not helpful.
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625.6 Listed. Electric vehicle power transfer system equipment for the purposes of charging, power export, or bidirectional current flow shall be listed.
I would not think that a box or pedestal would be considered part of the electric vehicle power transfer system equipment, so a listing wouldn't be required.
 
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625.6 Listed. Electric vehicle power transfer system equipment for the purposes of charging, power export, or bidirectional current flow shall be listed.
I would not think that a box or pedestal would be considered part of the electric vehicle power transfer system equipment, so a listing wouldn't be required.
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I think we need to know what the OP’s “pedestal” is. When I read it, I presumed he was talking about standalone upright EVSEs, calling them “pedestals.”
 
They are standalone pedestals. I've attached some pictures.
 

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Yes I agree with Ron too. The pedestals do not need to be ul listed but my original question was regarding if it's acceptable to splice inside the pedestals without adding a ul listed box inside?
 
rocknrolla said:
Yes I agree with Ron too. The pedestals do not need to be ul listed but my original question was regarding if it's acceptable to splice inside the pedestals without adding a ul listed box inside?
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314.15 requires junction boxes used in wet locations to be listed. I guess the next question would be does the fact that you are splicing in it make it a junction box. Probably, yes. It might be worth asking your AHJ.
 
I can't tell from the picture. For troubleshooting, etc. how would you access the splice ?
 
Fill the volume inside the pedestal with soil and use direct-bury splices, then you don't need a splice box per 300.5(E). :)

Seriously though, that does suggest that a waterproof rated splice should be allowed in an unlisted box in a wet location. I just don't see any allowance in the NEC for that.

Cheers, Wayne
 
rocknrolla said:
Hi Everyone,

I need some help here. I'm about to install 70 EV chargers and realized these pedestals are not UL listed. I would like to splice into these pedestals because the space inside is nearly 4" wide. Some of these pedestals have three charging port which require 2 conductors and two data cable per port. I can't imagine installing a bell box witbout exceding my box fill. My question is, is it against NEC code to splice in an enclosure even though it's not UL listed?

Thank you

Robert
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Seems this is similar to splicing in a lamp post. Don't know, never looked, if a light pole lamp post is "listed" but see branch feeder being spliced to the lamp wire going up the pole. The condition is that the splice be accessible, and lamp poles have an access panel to get to the splice. Same condition in any splice, it has to be accessible. These are considered a wireway. I believe your commercial EV pedestal is a part of the "listed" Charger system, and

376.56 Splices, Taps, and Power Distribution Blocks.
(A) Splices and Taps.
Splices and taps shall be permitted within a wireway, provided they are accessible. The conductors, including splices and taps, shall not fill the wireway to more than 75 percent of its area at that point.

ChargePoint EVSE has the pedestal as a component of their listed product. They show the pedestal portion wireway as a Cable Management Kit. But there is no need to make a splice as all connections are made at the charger head unit, and they have a jumper to share a circuit at the circuit connection at the charger head unit.

Would suggest you get the specific from whichever EVSE you will be installing for installation instruction.
 
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But 376.10(3) requires wireways in wet locations to be listed. So that doesn't help the OP.

Cheers, Wayne
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That's why said check with mfg., ChargePoint level three has pedestal EVSE designated for exterior use and wireway is part of the entire "listed" product.
 
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