jaggedben
Senior Member
- Location
- Northern California
- Occupation
- Solar and Energy Storage Installer
I have an AHJ who is saying that to calculate a service load according to article 220.83(A) one does not get to consider EV charging circuits to be part of the general load, but must add them at 125% (for being continuous) to the other load calculations. The AHJ seems to be specially calling out EVs as different.
In other words, instead of:
100% of the first 8kVA
+
40% of the remaining kVA
he wants:
100% of the first 8kVA of non-EV loads
+
40% of the remaining non-EV loads
+
125% of the EV loads
I can't find any language in the code that supports the AHJ's position. Am I missing something? I found some other threads on the subject but none of them for me nail down either:
a) whether the code treats EVs as special
b) what an EV really needs
Related question: 220.83 does not seem to require continuous load factors to be added (i.e. 125%). Am I missing something there?
See:
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=175424
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=145716
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=160958
The situation pertains to an underground service that a customer would prefer not to pay to upgrade. It is currently a 125A main with two 40A car charging circuits, only one of which is currently being used. It does not have any air conditioning; only oven and dryer are electric among heating appliances. The calculated load under my reading of 220.83(A) is 98A whereas by the AHJs reckoning it's 166A. (I suppose perhaps I could convince the customer to have one car charging circuit removed and it would come to 116A by the AHJs reckoning.)
Thoughts? Please distinguish between how you think the code language does treat EVs vs if you have opinions about how it ought to.
In other words, instead of:
100% of the first 8kVA
+
40% of the remaining kVA
he wants:
100% of the first 8kVA of non-EV loads
+
40% of the remaining non-EV loads
+
125% of the EV loads
I can't find any language in the code that supports the AHJ's position. Am I missing something? I found some other threads on the subject but none of them for me nail down either:
a) whether the code treats EVs as special
b) what an EV really needs
Related question: 220.83 does not seem to require continuous load factors to be added (i.e. 125%). Am I missing something there?
See:
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=175424
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=145716
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=160958
The situation pertains to an underground service that a customer would prefer not to pay to upgrade. It is currently a 125A main with two 40A car charging circuits, only one of which is currently being used. It does not have any air conditioning; only oven and dryer are electric among heating appliances. The calculated load under my reading of 220.83(A) is 98A whereas by the AHJs reckoning it's 166A. (I suppose perhaps I could convince the customer to have one car charging circuit removed and it would come to 116A by the AHJs reckoning.)
Thoughts? Please distinguish between how you think the code language does treat EVs vs if you have opinions about how it ought to.